Can Some Knowledgable Person Breakdown Coach McHale's Offense

Good post. I really hope McHale can get this team rolling somehow. I wouldn't mind rebuilding but I think we can definitely improve via trades. I'd hate to have to resort to a complete rebuild but as we have all seen in today's NBA , you can be a crappy team one year, and then be a contender in a few.

 

I got to the point on the first page where DD pretends like he's a more accomplished coach and knowledgeable basketball mind then Kevin McHale and decided not to read the rest of the thread and just skip to the end.

Apologies if already posted, but with the apparent lack of offense the Rockets run, they are above average in pretty much all offensive categories. 10th in scoring, above average in FG%, above average in protecting the ball/minimizing turnovers, etc.

I don't think it looks like a thing of beauty out there either, but I also don't believe the Rockets have so many good players that you could throw them out there and have them end up above average.

I mean they shoot the ball at a higher % and turn the ball over way less than the apparently much beloved Adelman's TWolves currently do. And it's certainly not a stretch to say the TWolves have equivalent if not better talent.

At the end of the day, this board will ALWAYS complain on a game by game basis about coaching decisions in game. They will ALWAYS complain on an overall basis about general head coaching in certain aspects of the game. And the amount of the complaining will always be lock-step with team performance. And DD will continue to love "skill" players, and "motion" offense, with little regards to facts and statistics - like, you know, how they're actually doing.

Can I answer the OP's question specifically? No. But I know they DO run some plays we've seen in years past. But they also mix in a lot more PnR, and a lot more post play.

Relative to last night's loss against the Celtics, quite simply, the Celtics can still play some good defense occasionally. The Rockets shot 39%. They missed some solid looks. It happens. Moreso on the road, where they're not very good.

 

Kevin McHale's emphasis is on rock solid, old fashioned screen setting.

When we set great screens and cut hard, we are tough to stop. When we get lazy, we can't score, and divert to junior college drive and kick. Lowry and Martin are NOT drive and kick players by any stretch of the imagination. They fit much better in Rick's Princeton. K-Mac's signature post offense is also a complete zero, because we have ZERO players that can effectively score in the post. Marcus Morris would help here...

 

Twolves last year were 24th in O and 27th in D, as compared to 12th and 15th this year. Rockets were 4th in O and 19th in D, compared to 10th and 17th this year. Before anyone brings up Chuck Hayes, the Kings are the same offensively this year, and a lot worse on D since the arrival of Chuck Hayes.

 

Este equipo es puro mugrero. Que bueno que ya se acerca la trade deadline.

 

You think that may have something to do with the import of Rubio into their lineup??? He has more talent than anyone on our team. Rubio has improved their perimeter D more than anything and any coaching Adelman has done. I doubt even the most hardcore fan would be against trading anyone on our roster to get Rubio.

 

This! I'm sick of it!

 

Actually, it's the defense I'm worried about. McHale is supposed to be a "hard nose" guy. Our defense is softer than charmin lately.

 

Well whoooopppp deee ****ing do !!!!



I think McHale sucks as a coach, his game management is crap, his substitution and rotation is crap, and the next out of bounds play that works might just be the first.

I don't claim to be an accomplished coach, but I can spot ****TY coaching when I see it.

Why do you think the individual numbers of almost every player are down this year? Because they are not getting the same types of looks they got last year.

You can like McHale all you want and compare the numbers to the league, but that is being disingenous, compare them to the team LAST year, it is essentially the same team - and you will understand.

I mean how does Captain McFrankenstein not realize his guys were tired last night and open up the rotation a bit to the guys on the bench?

That is flat out stupid, and I am not going to sit here and pretend to like it.

You go ahead and lick his boots all you want, I clearly have higher standards in expectations for an NBA coach.

DD

 

Typical fans looking for a scapegoat.

 

Repped

 

what? scapegoat?

we're not seeking to deflect blame from ourselves. it's certainly not my fault or your fault this team is playing this way.

there are clearly problems with this team...coaching seems very clearly to be part of the problem. that's not scapegoating...that's holding responsible people accountable.

 

yes, yes.. and you can spot quality talent, too... right?? :grin:

or because they are worse players. or more tired. or adjusting to a new system. or any number of reasons.. INCLUDING...

the fact that this is wrong. It is not essentially the same team. 2/5 of their starting lineup is different, with brand new players. Their bench rotation is different, etc, etc. They are different players. Isn't this what we expected? McHale to try and play the more defensively minded players?

I have no idea what one coaches motivation is relative to another. All I know is you have a classic penchant for complaining about things that others around the league do, but do highly successfully. Phil Jackson did some of the weirdest crap. Pop makes strange decisions. Etc, etc.

On this point, I'm with you though. Certainly some coaches are better than others, and as a fan you only can judge how good your coach is by what you see and what other, especially those more knowledgeable about it than you, can see and say.

it's not about me licking anybody's boots. it's about being objective. is McHale running Rick's offense? of course not. nobody expected him to. does that mean whatever he is running is the reason the team has gotten slightly worse offensively, relative to the last year, when there were different players? not necessarily.

Is McHale's style to blame for Martin's yo-yo campaign? Hard to see how. Why does he succeed in McHale's offense one game but suck the next? Does McHale change his offense every game? Is McHale's offense the reason why Scola starts out games strong and gradually gets worse? Does McHale's offense change throughout the course of the game? Is McHale's offense the reason why PPat STILL looks like a shell of his former self? Lacking the same athleticism? Never seeming to have the same type of energy as he did last year? Is McHale the cause of PPat's injury?

See... I actually agree with the premise of the thread. For one, the offense clearly doesn't look as smooth. And for two, some of the rotation choices scratch your head.

But, OBJECTIVELY, I realize that Adelman and D'Antoni offenses are fun and all, but neither of them have won any championships. Moreover, it seems easy to be a coach from the couch.. it's likely not as easy as it seems. Sure, rotations may look off to you, and they may be off for him, even, but he likely has reasons - trying to get someone going, whatever.

 

I could start doing a video breakdown of McHale's offense now, but this team isn't going to be the same next week, so I'm thinking about doing it some time later in the season.

I'm not crazy about some of the stuff we run, but I have no doubt that the offense will get better. McHale hasn't had a lot of time to implement new sets and it takes a while to figure out what works and what doesn't to begin with.

 

That would be awesome!! Please do!