Add me to the crowd that thinks Rondo is already the best PG in the league, tied with Chris Paul. They are both such intriguing PGs to watch and currently a tier above Rose, DWill, etc..
27th worst in the league? Doesn't that mean that they are one of the BEST offenses seeing they are 27th WORST? It's not impossible for him to develop a 3. Lowry did it. Rondo is entering his prime so he can still add to his game if he works on that jumper.
Rondo isnt a top 5 pg already? I got him 2nd or 3rd best pg in the league if we are talking True PG skill set.
i think pretty much everyone will agree. but people are talking of him as better than CP3, and that (IMO) is mostly a side effect of the whole "Clippers flop and suck" discourse, than anything rational.
One of the most overrated players in the game right now. My litmus test for an All-Star is pretty simple: Can this guy be the man on a half decent offense if he was all alone? I really doubt that Rondo, with his 12 ppg, 0.483 TS%, and 0.228 turnover %, efficiency marks that put him in the bottom tier of the league, can do that over the course of an entire season. Oh but he gets lots of assists! It's shocking to me how anyone can even consider Rondo to be on Chris Paul's level, much less better than him. Last season, Paul scored almost 8 ppg more than Rondo, with top tier efficiency numbers (0.583 TS%, 0.108 turnover %). The difference between Rondo and Paul on offense is night and day. The Celtics had the #27 offense, the Clippers had the #4 offense. You can't even use team record (one of the most spurious arguments that people turn to in individual player comparisons) to help Rondo's case, because the Clippers had one more win as well. There should be no debate about this, at all. Does anyone REALLY think that the Celtics would be worse off if they traded Rond for Paul? They'd take that trade in a heart beat. Really, this is like saying that Andre Iguodala is better than Wade or LeBron. Or that Rudy Gay has shown the world that he's on Durant's level. :grin: BTW, it's really funny to me how much of a complete statistical stud CP3 can be for years, and still have people ranking him below much worse players like Rondo and Deron Williams. Meanwhile, many people who dared to point out Kobe's aging and declining dominance (even if it was merely saying that LeBron had surpassed him) were insulted as idiots with no understanding of the game.
Oh, so you are just going to ignore 2 out of the 3 most important aspects of basketball: Half court offense Quick offense Defense Note that Defense is often directly related to success of quick offense. Rajon Rondo is the clear #1 in Quick Offense skills and Defensive skills. He is the best defender and passer at the PG spot. Don't argue with me about this. In Half Court Offense, CP3 is extraordinary. Clear best in the league. DWill is superb, too. Parker was probably #1 last year. And then, of course, Rose might be the best at this in a non-pure point way...how soon we forget.
I do think in BASKETBALL that team record weighs in much more toward player assessment than in other sports. In the NFL Drew Brees can be the best QB in the league, yet his team right now is WINLESS. The NBA equivalent of Drew Brees might be Steve Nash, his teams don't have bad records even with uptempo fancy offense with lack of defense. Its not THE main qualifier cuz there's exceptions (like Dwyane Wade leading a last place team. Or Ty Lawson having a better team than Nash and Deron Williams), just that individual star power in basketball has always been important. And yet in the CP3 / Deron comparisons, its Deron's bad team record with the Nets thats used as a metric On that, yeah I never got why CP3 was put down so low in ratings. Deron Williams was always surrounded by better talent. Deron went to the Nets in a weaker East, got a team with talent not that far off from the caliber of CP3 Hornets teams, and couldnt do anything with it.
Nailed it with this post. What's amazing about Chris Paul is how much he consistently contributes and at such a high efficiency. It's easy to be high efficiency (Tyson Chandler) or high volume (Carmelo Anthony), but not both, not against NBA defenses. Rondo as the top PG in the league is laughable to me (high turnover rate, can't shoot, can't make free throws, runs a cellar-dwelling team offense). Chris Paul is superior in basically every way imo.
He's one of the best right now but I'm not buying the article. Every off-season we see articles like this for players improving,losing weight, etc. and it doesn't amount to much once the season starts. Big fan of Rondo so I hope he really has improved his shooting.
I probably should considering that dude actually just said Rondo could be viewed as a Top 5 point guard all time....laughable.
he said "IF" he adds a consistent shot. Rondo with a consistent shot would be special. Tinier but better version of Gary Payton? He'd have to be consistent defensively too, though, he got a bit lazy last year at times.
People get caught up in this whole "Rondo plays with hall of famers" thing \, but if you look at the guys he was playing with last year, Ray Allen was out a lot, Jeff Green, Jermaine O'Neal, Chris Wilcox, Pietrus, Avery Bradley all missed significant time. Rondo's offensive numbers weren't helped by playing alongside Ryan Hollins, Greg Steimsma, etc. And secondly, the Celtics might have been 27th in offense last year but a lot of that is explained by: 1.) they don't run very much and 2.) they make the active decision not to pursue offensive rebounds, and instead get back on defense. I don't know enough to do such an analysis myself, but I'd love to see some kind of a breakdown of how efficient the Celtics were in half-court offense with Rondo on the floor, and how that stacks up with other point guards.
1) That "IF" is a pretty big if, seeing as how Rondo is going into his seventh NBA season. The fact that he hasn't developed one now leads me to believe that it's going to be a serious struggle for him. 2) He ain't gonna be better than Gary Payton....just no...They have similar games, but he ain't gonna be Gary Payton. 3) Can't forget that Rondo has played with some serious top level talents in Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen that helped him look a lot better than he probably was earlier in his career. He's definitely the best player on the Celtics right now, but he's only just coming into that role right now. 3) Bob Cousy, Tiny Archibald, Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Jason Kidd, John Stockton, Isaiah Thomas, Steve Nash, Walt Frazier, among others....Rondo is not joining that group. If he showed more at the beginning of his career then MAYBE I'd POSSIBLY see it, but this is his 7th season...No way is he joining that group of All Time Great point guards, especially when he's not even best in the league at the moment, as CP3 is definitely better than Rondo at this point in time.
Nash didn't make an All Star team until he was 27. Rondo is only 26 right now, it's not too late if he makes another jump.
