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Can Cook help? (I'm serious)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Jeff Who, Sep 25, 2009.

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SHould Cook get some PT in the upcomming season?

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  2. Hell NO

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  1. Kojirou

    Kojirou Member

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    ...Who is massively undersized and has no offensive game whatsoever. And yes, we'll fall back on Hayes if Anderson doesn't work out, but I would not be content at all with Chuck Hayes as a starting center and hope Anderson can perform better than that so one position isn't a total liability on the offensive end (which, if you don't forget, is a major reason why we got demolished so badly in Game 7.)
     
  2. dexkk

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    I remember saying how bad Cook is when the trade with Orlando was happening. Look, I live near LA right now and I do remember Cook playing for the Lakers. He sucks. Trust me, he is horrible. My friends (lakers fans) celebrated when he was traded away.
     
  3. durvasa

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    Who was the one position that was a total offensive liability in Game 7?

    Brooks: 4-13 in 38 minutes
    Scola: 4-12 in 38 minutes
    Artest: 3-10 in 38 minutes
    Battier: 1-6 in 31 minutes
    Hayes: 4-8 in 24 minutes
    Landry: 2-10 in 21 minutes
    Lowry: 2-2 in 17 minutes
    Wafer: 5-11 in 15 minutes
     
  4. tobepg

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    Out of the question.
    Btw, he is the most expensive power forward in our team...but contributes barely nothing.
     
  5. leebigez

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    BimaThug , durvasa, and roslolian, I never said it wasn't up to the paid pros to pick talent and do make the ultimately make the decision, but that doesn't mean they can't be wrong. They're human just like you and I. How long did it take for them to realize chuck hayes wasn't a starter on a championship team? The Greyhound Theory which people on this board shunned at looks like it is being assemble. I can't say enough that I think morey is doing a good job,i'm just not going to think blindly that he doesn't make errors. If andersen turn out to be sean marks then people will say he only makes 2.5m or something like that just like with barry. Teams will trade a player to the rockets and also drop a anchor/lux tax type player with it because they know teams don't like to pay that.

    Rosolian, when have I ever said camby was a great player? I will ask you this though, if you could have a choice this yr between having camby or shane on the rox, who and why?
     
  6. durvasa

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    The very concept "[Player X] isn't a starter on a championship team" has very little validity to me. The starter isn't even necessarily the most important player at his position. If you're capable of being a contributor on a championship team (and Chuck is), then you're capable of being a starter on a championship team under the right conditions.

    The Rockets didn't make a mistake on Chuck Hayes. When he was starting, he was supposed to be starting because the alternative was Juwan Howard. They never said, "We're set at PF and aren't looking to improve it."

    You play the best players available on the team. And, at the same time, you constantly look to improve your roster via trades and free agency, given the constraints set by the owner and the market. That's how this game works.
     
  7. saleem

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    Chuck is very much capable of being a contributer on a championship team,however GM's and coaches assess things after seeing how do they play out. Chuck wasn't cutting it as a starter PF,that's why he was sent to the bench. Coaches make mistakes,that doesn't mean that Chuck doesn't have a valuable role to play,he is a far better defender and rebounder than Juwan,but our offense was confined to Yao and McGrady.
     
  8. leebigez

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    Durvasa, neither hayes or howard shouldve been a option as a starter. Chuck is a situational guy and he was when he started. Go look at guys who were availible at the end of the 05 season either thru drraft or free agency and tell me they weren't better options than our choices. I think morey self corrects which is good and if andersen turns out to be sean marks,my guess is he won't be here long either.
     
  9. saleem

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    Lee,I'm very surprised why you are advocating a role for Cook. He doesn't fit in the Greyhound mould at all.
     
  10. amaru

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    The only way that I can see Cook contributing is if he somehow merges w/ Hayes.

    But if are talking about the Brian Cook of last season.......no thank you. I'd rather play one of the Rockets Power Dancers at PF
     
  11. amaru

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    Edit:

    I meant to say "But if we are
     
  12. leebigez

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    Saleem, i'm not advocating for cook, I was moreso talking about because the rox signed andersen,then he must be a good player. I was saying andersen isn't what people think. Like I saaid I watched 20 games of the guy from euroleague. I watched from the same player zeroed in games as coaches and scouts get to watch and I said he's more sean marks than scola,that's all.
     
  13. mob16151

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    If Pig Miller made love to a jumpshot'then that Jumpshot had a baby,thats Brian Cook.
     
  14. saleem

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    I thought that you mentioned in another post that Cook scored 30 points on the Rockets,which gave me that impression.
     
  15. durvasa

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    The plan heading into that season (as expressed by then coach Jeff Van Gundy) was to have a more spread out offense. Battier was going to see time at the PF, as was Scott Padgett (a Matt Bonner type) who played well for us a few years prior. We drafted Steve Novak. So, heading into that season, Howard/Hayes were not the projected starters at PF.

    Now, the Rockets could have been even more aggressive and looked for yet another PF option (in addition to Battier, Padgett, Novak, Howard, Hayes). But they decided to spend that money on scoring guards/wings who could potentially create their own offense ( "greyhound" theory?). Those would be Snyder, Wells, and Spanoulis. Well, we know how those signings turned out.

    That's how it goes. Given that the team was just coming off a dreadful season, you can't expect that they could patch up every hole perfectly in a few months. The Rockets had more needs than simply finding another PF.

    And as it happens, Hayes was a bargain signing and proved to be a significant improvement over the PF Carrol Dawson had signed the prior season (Stromile Swift). Bringing him in was not a mistake.
     
  16. leebigez

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    Hayes,howard,padgett,and novak along with rafer and shane. People wonder why the rockets had trouble in the playoffs. I just think the rox did a piss poor job of putting really good talent around yao and tracy when had a lot more in the tank. Its like we wasted seasons in their prime starting with the season after they lost to dallas.
     
  17. durvasa

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    I don't know. At the time (Rockets 2006 offseason), I don't recall you being so negative on our offseason. In fact ..

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=2410772&postcount=43

    From that post (July, 2006), you sounded ok with what the Rockets were trying to do to improve their PF situation.

    Or how about this post you made in October 2006, in response to a thread asking which teams will give us the most trouble:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=2534941&postcount=42


    I'm sorry to resort to digging up old history, but I thought at the time what the Rockets were trying to do made some sense. You seemed to agree. It just didn't work out as planned with Snyder getting injured and Bonzi flaming out.

    Anyway, I do agree with your main point here which is that front offices can make mistakes. I just happen to have confidence that our current front office, at this time, has some solid evidence informing their decision making. Doesn't mean they can't swing and miss, but I feel pretty good that they'll swing at the right pitches.
     
  18. v3.0

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    20-20 hindsight always looks better...
     
  19. mi0304

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    Don't you remember the Game 5 against Lakers? :eek:
     
  20. redwhiteone

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    If every biggie in our team gets injured for some reason...we will put Brooks at the center position :D

    But seriously, get his a** a legit biggie trainer, get him to know his role and most importantly, not make him shoot 3s but instead master the mid-range jumpers a.k.a Dice style then maybe, just maybe, he can have a shot...although a damn long one if you ask me.

    He also needs to lose some weight so he can keep up with the fast big guys and D them up...I hope.
     

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