Nope. I am convinced that Casserly drafted Carr and sincerely believes he has been poorly coached. And right or wrong Casserly has genuine faith that Carr will become very good. He may be right, but the chances are slim. Carr is decent and he can be better, but it's not enough for me to pass on Vincent Young. I mean do we pass on Reggie Bush because Dominique Davis is a good running back? I am about to give up on VY because of Casserly. I emailed the team and begged for VY, but I'm tired of Casserly.
I think Bob McNair will have a MAJOR say in this, and he understands that most of the fans want Vince....In the end, I will bet that the fans desires for the hometown hero win out. Vince will be a Texan, IMHO.... DD
I hope you are right. I went back and looked at Casserly's record at Washington and it was frightening to me. I think he is very smart but he has not been able to translate it to building successful NFL rosters. I don't know why.
I think you are putting too much faith in McNair. Carr was almost as much his boy as he was Casserly's when we drafted him (I think they are buddies), and it would seem McNair doesn't want to admit they were wrong on David anymore than Casserly.
None of us are in any position to make calls on leadership ability unless we're on the field or in the lockerroom. I'm someone who wants Vince Young, and I'm not convinced we would be much better than 2-14 if we had Peyton Manning or Tom Brady under center. Four of them, actually, and would've been 6 in 11 games if not for a missed chip shot field goal vs. the Bears and a dropped touchdown against the Redskins. If you're going to go with the childish insults, at least get the facts straight. Also, Simms had the number one defense in the entire NFL on the other side, while Carr had the 31st... that might've had just a bit to do with why he had more success in terms of wins and losses than David Carr. 22 players on the field at a time and more than 50 on each roster... it's not just a game of quarterbacks, people.
This is the truth. It's like all the ESPN experts who were touting Kyle Orton and how well he managed games. Please that Bear defense is special and carried Chicago to wins when Orton was in there. But as soon as he faltered, and Grossman was healthy then suddenly Orton was just a rookie. Which is why the Texans need a defense to go with whoever they take; Bush, Young, OR Ferguson.
You know on second thought I see that your posts are mostly based on emotions and not football facts. I am convinced that you know little to no football from the excuses you keep coming up - I had to say that because you were the one to first call someone else out. Again excuses excuses. You can say we do not have a WRs and TEs of good reput but that is an excuse. I like to believe that a great player elivates his teammates and not the other way round. We at least have Adre - some teams do not have a descent WR talkless of having one in the calibre of Andre. I wish I was more in the mood to do the stats thing and break down of other NFL teams this season and some years back to show that David's case (what he had to work with) is/was not necessarily unique or worthy of constant excuses. Sure it will be more desirable to have everything perfect or above par but that is what makes David average. He needs things to be near perfect to amount to something. He does not have "it". The point for me is not necessarily about David's service-ability but the greatness that is Vince. I am confident that a second year Vince would have had more success with this current team. I trully believe that David was a mistake to be chosen as the overral #1 - there is nothing special about him. I understand that only about 20% of #1 overrall end up becoming hall of famers but we could have done better with Peppers. But as it has turned out, David helped in getting Vince Young. The summary of my rant is this - David Carr needs everything to be almost perfect (excuses, inc.) to succeed or be serviceable in the NFL. I do not want to settle for that not with the opportunity to have a true great in the making like Vincent. I will allow any form of excuses for David fool me into commiting a generational mistake. This reminds me of the excuses Steve Francis enjoyed after his 3rd season - enough already.
Carr will stay and put up the best numbers of his career in 2006. I don't think Carr was to blame for the last 4 years. I don't even put the majority of the blame on the line. I blame coaching and development. That will soon change. With Carr, Bush, a few draft picks and better coaching and development, this team will be a new confident Texans team. The grandmother option was a little too rediculous.
Near perfect? Are you kidding? Having things merely below average would be a huge step up for David... this is the worst offensive line in the history of the sport at this level, and the tight ends aren't much better. You won't find many analysts to disagree with either of those. If Carr really does need things "near perfect" or "above par", I'll give up. You win. But you can't determine that at this point. At some point, you need to surround him with average talent before you can make such bold statements. To this point, he hasn't, and until he has, it's simply not possible for him to have "it". Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Vince Young wouldn't have "it" either if they played in this system. You call it excuses, excuses. I call the other side simplistic. To act as if one player in a 22-person game can and should succeed (if he's great) no matter the circumstances is simplistic. Imagine if Peyton Manning were allowed to quarterback a high school team. The first response from most of us would be that that team wouldn't ever lose. Now, imagine that every player other than Manning were taken off the team and replaced with junior high athletes. Even with Peyton, that team would be lucky to win a game. That analogy fits with how the Texans are relative to the rest of the league. The offensive line and tight ends - supposedly the quarterback's "best friends" - are the junior high team while every other team is at the high school level. Do you really expect the quarterback with the lesser surrounding talent to show "it" or be "great"? I don't, no matter how great he is. You can call it excuses if you want; to have the same expectations for a quarterback in the Texans system that you would for a quarterback in a normal system is simplistic, imo. (I will state again for the record, though, that I am in the Vince Young camp, provided we can get some decent compensation for Carr via trade.)
Great post! I quoted the whole thing because I think it should be on page 3 for others to read. As for the topic of the thread, I believe Carr can and will do just that some day. I'm excited about next season.
Carr is in a terrible position right now. The team is getting new coaches and new schemes, which will only lead to further growing pains and losses (until the team gets it down pat). However, if Carr doesn't start with like 15 TDs and 0 INTs out of the gate, the public outcry will be deafening. So, the rest of the team will get to play the "new coach" card, but Carr will not receive any(more) patience from the fans. Blame Vince Young. Furthermore, if we do indeed take Bush, and he doesn't put up Priest Holmes numbers and win Rookie of the Year honors, the public outcry will also be deafening. Blame ESPN... and Vince Young.
I applaud Carr for the toughness he's shown the past 4 years, no other QB has taken more hits than Carr in my opinion. But that doesn't negate the fact that Carr has something to do with that as much as the OL, coaches, etc... I'm starting to feel more and more that Carr was just a product of a system. Don't get me wrong, he had an unbelievable senior season w/ Fresno State, but the WAC conference isn't exactly cut throat and still ended up losing 3 games his senior season to bad teams. There were no better QBs at the time, but that doesn't really make a good case for being the #1 pick. It's like if the Texans started this season and were looking to draft a QB #1 but with no Leinart or VY, you're left with the next best QB (Jay Cutler), would we have picked him?
I don't know if David Carr can lead the Texans to a Super Bowl appearance, but I am fairly confident that he would not prevent us from making an appearance. He may never develop into a John Elway, but he certainly is already a much better quarterback than either Joey Harrington or Aaron Brooks have proven to be. In fact, have the Texans even ever put Carr in a position to perform at an above-average level, much less succeed? Think about it for a second. In Carr's final collegiate season, he threw for 4,839 yards and beat big-time programs Colorado, Oregon State, & Wisconson. He finished fifth in the nation for the Heisman. Heck, he finished the regular season by throwing for 432 yards & 6 touchdowns in 2 & 1/2 quarters. He then threw for 531 yards & 4 TD's against Michigan State in their bowl game. I don't know if Carr would be the top pick again this year if he were coming out in a draft containing Bush, Leinart and Young, but I don't think with this kind of collegiate career that he would be dismissed as a less-than-top-20 talent. Come to think of it, the nation might be debating whether the Texans should start their franchise with one of the most electrifying tailbacks anyone has seen in years, that tailback's cool-headed senior who led his team to one of the most remarkable runs in recent years (AP: #1, #1, & #2), the mature gun-slinger from the small school who always performed and put up mind-boggling numbers, or the incredibly gifted local hero who slew the dragon in its own lair and then promptly ate a herd of buffalo and washed it down with the Mississippi River. Hard to say. Whatever, I digress. In the year 2002, the Texans chose Carr number one in the draft. Now, from what I have seen, the most successful way to develop a young, talented quarterback is to allow him to sit on the bench for a period of time, learn behind a talented veteran, than put him on the field with a team that would have some weapons in place to allow him learn & hopefully not kill the team's chances to be moderately successful at the same time. Also, maybe have a quarterback coach that can tutor him. You know, some semblance of stability would be pretty fresh as well. It worked for one way or the other for Carson Palmer, Marc Bulger, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, & Byron Leftwich. Instead, we threw Carr out to the wolves with an offensive line consisting of some really stunningly bad lineman (Chester Pitts started every game that year and it was only about his third year of playing organized ball for pete's sake), a receiving corp who's most talented players were Cory Bradford & a converted wide-receiver at TE, and a dual-headed rushing attack of James Allen & Jonathan Wells. Remarkbly enough, the Texans finished dead last in just about every offensive catergory. Carr threw for 2,600 yards, 9 touchdowns, and 15 picks. Instead of sitting behind another quarterback and learning, he was sacked approxiamately 2,364 times. He was able to make small talk with Tony Banks between hits from the smelling salts and beat the Cowboys however, and I will forever be indebted to him for that. Since that incredible start, Carr's performance did improve, culminating with a a career highs last year of 3,500 yards (61.2% completion), 16 TD's, and 14 int's. The team also finished with a 7-9 record. None of these stats are outstanding, but it was pretty clear that improvement was being made. The Cleveland debacle ended the whole thing horribly. This year everything fell apart, obviously. The offense played pretty close to horrific at times, the defense was betrayed by the losses of Sharper and Glenn and the addition of Buchanon. Just how much of that was Carr's fault? His ineffective OC was replaced by the guy who guided the O-Line to remarkble success and his QB coach was was a "standout defensive player at John Carroll University" (from the Texan's official website) with no NFL experience as a player, much less a quarterback. Most damaging of all was probably Davis' and Johnson's injury-plagued seasons. Granted, Carr looked pretty bad, but if your automobile had a flat tire & a broken windshield, I bet that you would look like quite an idiot on the 610.
You sir are a moron. None of my arguements are based on emotion, just fact. It is a fact we have a terrible WR corp. Yes, Andre is a STUD, but when you only have one WR all the defense has to do is roll coverage his way or double cover him and it makes it very difficult to get him the ball. I remember a game where a TV analyst made a comment that the defense did not have to cover Bradford because he was defending himself, dropping so many open passes. I have seen Gaffney get hit with the ball on pass routes because he wasn't looking for the ball. We don't have a TE that can get open and catch the ball down the field which helps draw the attention of the safties. I don't think I need to point out the shortcomings of our O-line. No QB can consistently perform with the kind of pass rush Carr was under this year. I would trade Carr in a heartbeat if it would help the team. I would trade anyone in a heartbeat to help the team. I do think it is difficult to judge how good or bad a QB Carr is based on his time here because he did not have help. QBs don't block, they don't get open, and they don't catch passes. All QBs need help period. In Seattle's game this weekend everyone was talking about how well Hassleback played, and he played well, but Jackson made some terrific catches. If he dropped those balls they would have lost. If you don't like Carr fine, just say I don't like him, I would prefer VY. I would say good for you. But, your arguements are moronic, and they show that YOU know nothing of football. They only thing you said that makes any sense is that the Texans might have been better off taking Peppers. I think darfting a QB in that stage of our program might have been a mistake because they wasn't much help for him (regardless of who the QB was). DKAIII great, insightful post!
You are the compound moron here. You make little to no sense - just a heap of excuses. Enough already silly - believe what you want to believe and let it be then
Look bro, it is obvious that you do not understand the game of football. You may watch games, but you do not understand what is going on during play. If you did you would see that my points have validity. Again, if you just don't like Carr and thinks he sucks - good for you. I have no problem with that. If you would prefer VY to Carr - good for you - you are entitled to have that opinion. You can say whatever you want about Carr -free speech and all that, but the bottom line is he has never had help here. Despite what you think all QBs need some help. Montana had Rice, Taylor, Rathman, Clark, and Craig. Marino had Clayton and Duper. Aikman had Irvin, Smith, Novacek, Harper, and Moose. Manning has Harrison, Clark, Wayne, and James. The list goes on and on. QBs need some help and Carr hasn't had much. AJ is a stud and he missed games this season, which hurt the team. DD hasn't played a full 16 game schedule in any of his seasons yet. Don't even get me started on the coaching. Again, I am not making excuses nor apologizing for Carr. I don't have to, the situation speaks for itself. I would trade him in a heartbeat if I thought it would improve the team.
