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Can Carr Take Texans to Superbowl?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Cohen, Jan 10, 2006.

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Can Carr get to and win the Superbowl?

  1. You bet!

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  2. Hmmm...maybe so...

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  3. Heh...doubtful

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  4. My grandmother has a better chance

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  1. MadMax

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    i've seen lesser QB's than David Carr play in and win the Super Bowl.
     
  2. rhester

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    I think the question is worded wrong.

    It should be can Casserly get the Texans to the Super Bowl.

    Carr on the Pittsburgh Steelers would have a shot because of the defense and the running game.

    Carr on Carolina Panthers would have a shot for same reasons.

    Get rid of Casserly and I change my vote on Carr.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Carr is an average QB....he has shown NOTHING in 4 years to make anyone think otherwise.

    Coaching or not, he is NOT ever going to be a superstar QB.

    Sell high.......baby.

    Draft Vince.

    DD
     
  4. MadMax

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    i heard charlie pallilo (spelling?) speculate yesterday that all the "we love david..he's our guy" talk was to help facilitate trading him. he was saying, certainly no one could feel that way...but you'd have to talk that way to help convince a team to give you more in return for him.
     
  5. A-Train

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    Sure he can. All he needs is a CDL driver's licence and a big bus. Getting tickets might be a little tough, though...
     
  6. World B Free

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    hhahaha, Manning has never "takken a team to the superbowl by himself"

    and if you think Terrell Davis and Emmit Smith didn't help Elway and Aikman get to the Superbowl, you are sadly mistaken....

    I mean come on.... Aikman had the best O-Line in the league at the time...the all time leading rusher.... Michael Irvin..... and a great defense...... give Carr all of that then start to judge him........
     
  7. stevel

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    He has shown toughness, competitiveness, a strong arm, and that he is a team player. How can you judge this guy when, if you look objectively at his tenure here, he has had one legit WR, no TE, a terrrible pass blocking O-line, and poor coaching.

    If you watch the last couple of Texans games, they had a graphic about Carr's passer rating in the pocket vs outside the pocket. In the pocket his rating was below 70, outside the pocket his rating was over 100.00. This was for the season. If he had time to throw he would absolutely been more effective. How many balls did Bradford drop - is that Carr's fault? Gaffney was hit several times in the arms and the back of the head with the ball when running routes because he was not looking for the ball - is that Carr's fault?

    The line was soo bad that we had to resort to a ridiculous 3 step drop offense that became so predictable a high school coach could have defended it - is that Carr's fault? The coaching staff would only let him audible to running play or switch the side of the run - that was ridiculous. Talk about putting the handcuffs on a player. Bradford was released at the end of last season, and not one of the other 31 teams offered him a contract, and he STARTED for us!

    I have no problem if like VY better than Carr, that is your choice, but making these sweeping statements that Carr will NEVER be anything more than medicore or average is stupid. I have found your comments regarding the Rockets to be insightful and you clearly know alot about B-ball. However, I think your football knowledge is lacking.
     
  8. mateo

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    Hey it only took 9 posts for someone to type "Vince Young" in a Texans thread. Thats gotta be a new record for the post Jan 4 era.
     
  9. MadMax

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    i agree. it's a team effort. i've seen very average QB's win the super bowl.

    but one thing you're forgetting about Elway...that guy is Exhibit A when it comes to putting your team on your shoulders in pro football. At least in my lifetime, anyway. Those teams he took to the Super Bowl in the 80's were not good teams...and they beat teams far better than they were. There was no Terrell Davis then...there was Sammy Winder and the Three Amigos. :) I've never seen a QB do more with less than John Elway. He's the standard by which I measure all other QB's.
     
  10. Buck Turgidson

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    Great frikken post, stevel.
     
  11. The Real Shady

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    David Carr > Trent Dilfer
     
  12. stevel

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    You have hit the nail on the head. Both Casserly and Capers have done an incredibly poor job with the Texans. I expect this to be Casserly's last year with the team as general manager. I could see him being moved into a front office position as Justice mentioned in his article this morning. There is not one QB in this league that has less to work with on Offense except Smith in SF and Farve in GB due to injuries to key players this season.

    Even the freakin Bears have more talent on offense than us, and they are painful to watch. I love that D though.
     
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  13. MadMax

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    absolutely. no question about it.
     
  14. The Real Shady

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    Whoops, I misread your post. I thought you said you've never seen lesser QB's....
     
  15. MadMax

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    no..i think david carr is a good QB. not a great QB..but a good one.

    did you read justice's blog?? he says he thinks carr will end up being a better qb than leinart.
     
  16. rhester

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    Let me say this about Capers- his philosophy has always been to build a great defense and have a ball control offense with a grinding ground attack.
    That's what he was at Carolina and that is what he did as a coordinator.

    He never had the cover corners, the hard hitting safeties, the edge pass rushers and the run stopping def. interior to succeed on defense. The closest he had was season #1.

    He never had the pounding ground game he likes or the tight end to run block and catch.

    Capers was always a coach who believed in keeping the score down and winning and having a shot to win every game in the fourth quarter.

    I am not saying that is right wrong or good or bad- just that he never got the talent for his scheme.

    I am sure Casserly tried to get the right players but he failed. And he primarily failed in rounds 2-7 and in the free agent market.

    We never should have given 5 first day draft picks for Babin and Buchanon that was the nail in the coffin. We never should have drafted Dave Ragone behind David Carr that wasted a 3rd round pick, we never should have taken Tony Hollings in the supplemental draft that cost a 2nd round pick, we never should have passed on Derrick Johnson or tried to make Seth Wand into something he wasn't- a 'real' sleeper.

    We wasted 7 first day draft picks when we had holes all over the team.

    Poor drafting and trading will bring a team down to its knees faster than anything, even injuries.

    I didn't care if they fired Capers or not as long as Casserly left.

    Well- good luck Texans- let's see what decisions Casserly makes this off season.

    (BTW- I think Casserly is a nice, decent guy, nothing personal- just can't stand to see us make so many bad moves and set the franchise back- nothing personal it's a performance issue IMHO)
     
  17. stevel

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    I think that Caper's downfall had to due more with his choices of OC and DC. This is where the bad coaching came from. I wouldn't have minded Capers staying for one more year as HC and DC and hiring either Linehan or Kubiak as assitant HC and OC. Did you get a chance to hear Gary Walker's interview after Caper's was fired on 610? He ripped Fangio, absolutely ripped his defence. He said the D we ran wasn't Caper's D. He played under Capers in Jax, and said his D was ALOT different than ours.
     
  18. rhester

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    True- I've heard alot from John McClain on radio that the Texans didn't have good asst. coaching
     
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    With a healthy AJ, DD, Bush, and Mathis. YES
     
  20. rrj_gamz

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    What he said...

    However, its a "what have you done for me lately" league and on paper, he hasn't produced...He is also prone to make poor decisions, but I think that's due to him always running for his life...I would still take VY as he has more potential and upside...
     

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