Can Asik co-exist with Dwight (If Rockets get him)

greg smith is not gonna be any better playing PF along side Asik than Howard would be..

 

twin towers baby!

Asik can be like the Dream with the Dream Shake and Dwight can play like Sampson!

 

This, and to add, stretch 4 was laughed in the begining. Who knows could start a revolution.

 

I don't get the people on here that think an Asik-Dwight combo is some sort of disaster waiting to happen.

The Rockets can ADJUST their game plan, they won't be the first or last team to feature twin towers with a rotating stretch 4

--Asik + Dwight is elite defensively and as some have pointed out, its not gonna be any worse than Asik + Smith lineup which the rockets went with for a significant chunk of games.

-I believe they will adjust, play the pick and roll a lot and the double teaming of dwight will free up Asik to set picks & pick up garbage points. Plus they can play Dwight-Asik to start quarters and then rotate a stretch 4 the rest of the time

--the Rockets defensive intensitve will remain throughout the game with either Dwight or Asik in the lineup, without the let downs when Asik rests.

I think its going to be brilliant. All for it.

 

Asik, the Stretch 4 Assassin...



Weaksauce sub-50% Durant, embarrassed by the Hammer...



Even trade IF they throw in Lamb, AND a pick.

Git r dun Da-Mo!

 

How much spacing does a great offensive rebounder provide? Just curious. If one of them gets doubled by the other's man, that leaves one of them completely open for the offensive rebound, right?

 

Are there any examples of two players like Asik and Howard playing together?

i.e. Two defensive & rebounding machines that have little-to-mediocre post games and no jumpshot?

 

The upside is they're both great PnR players and know how to stay active. Given our guards style of play, I don't envision this the achilles heal you may think.

I'd imagine McHale playing heavy doses of Parsons @ the 4 so what the starting line up is shouldn't matter much. I think we'll have the personnel to hang with any team--sorta like Indy did w/ Miami ~ but even better.

 

I don't think we have to look too far. Dwight Howard plays in the same areas (offensively) as Greg Smith. He is like a 100x better version of Greg Smith. It didn't work quite well for us, but I can assure you, not many teams will be getting 100+ points off us with Asik, Howard, and Parsons averaging 30 + minutes a game for us.

Other examples: Minutes when Noah and Asik played together.

Asik is actually not too bad from the high post to the rim where Dwight is better from 6 feet from either side of the rim -- baseline, which would allow Harden to not feel so clogged in the paint when he penetrates.


I could be way off with my assessment, but it's just a small thought.

 

No, I think if Howard comes we trade Asik while his value is pretty high.
DD

 

This. Trade him for a stretch 4. With Howard on the floor, he would become a liability on offense. With niether being a true threat to score outside of 8 feet, they can both be double teamed with out the extra defender leaving their man. (i.e. the PF just has to cheat over towards Howard)

 

i dont mind trying it for a year if we cant get a stretch 4 who can rebound and defend

 

It was mentioned briefly earlier in the thread, the best commentary on how the twin towers would work together was in the last rocketscast podcast. There is a thread somewhere in the GARM. They talk about it for around 10min.

I haven't heard much negativity at all in the NBA media about the proposition of the Twin Towers.

I understand how the offense can work and how excellent our interior defense is. My worry, as others have pointed out, is when the other team goes small or has a good stretch 4. This will put real pressure on our transition D and also can Dwight guard a 4 out on the perimeter? If someone has a solution to this, please explain. I guess we could always go small too with T-Jones or D-Mo.

 

Surprisingly, Asik has shown he can score easily if he's left with space to drive in for a bucket.

 

I've been trying to think of some myself. The best I could come up with so far:

1) Antonio Davis played a lot alongside Dale Davis for some very successful Pacers teams. I know Smits was in the mix there too, but those Davis brothers lineups played a lot, and were very successful.

2) Kevin Willis played PF for the Hawks during the late 80's and early 90's. I don't remember those teams too well, so they may have gone smaller with Dominique at 4 and Willis at 5 fairly often -- maybe someone older than me can say for sure. But I do remember he played often with Koncak.

Unfortunately not much else I can come up with.

 

Also, those shots are hilarious to watch -- their effectiveness matched only by their awkwardness. So, any lineup that means more of those I am in favor of.

 

Both are guysare too limited in range to coexist together. Asik value is too high to have him sit behind howard. They could get value for asik tha would help the team immensly on the court and financially.

 

most successful "twin tower" approaches have versatility offensively and that's why it works. asik and dwight cannot score outside 5 feet..and both are awful ft shooters. and most importantly, we aren't running our offense primarily through them. our offense is best when we're in pnr situations with the floor properly spaced..because our offense is generated through drives to the rim by lin and harden. didn't anyone see that grantland article a while back? lin and harden from the 15 teams they examined were both in the top 10 (harden clear #1) in terms of drives to the rim. that's how we get open three point shots, or we get good looks at the rim.

i love asik, and i love what he did for our team. i also don't wanna sell him short, because he's a big time impact player. but if the right trade came along (this is key), then we shouldn't hesitate, because asik at pf (or dwight, w/e) definitely limits our offensive attack. and bringing up greg smith isn't the best example, because he's not optimal next to dwight either. i'd expect tjones to take that spot unless we get someone else. or if dmo can add some strength to not get pushed around so often (or stay on the damn floor, lol).

it's no coincidence our offense got rolling as soon as we took greg smith outta the starting lineup in the post season. we put parsons/garcia as the forwards and our offense took off (it helped harden went bonkers in game 5 too). spacing is the KEY to our offense, because we have guards that like to pick and roll and create havoc by driving to the rim. that's best suited with having lin/harden and dwight surrounded by shooters like parsons/someone else, and shooters off the bench.

unless asik becomes a good mid range shooter, then i don't see it working at all. maybe for stretches in very specific matchups but not for extended periods, no. surprisingly enough though, asik looked kinda smooth whenever he took that rare mid-range shot...maybe there is hope... ... but prob not

 

Honestly, I think the determining factor is what we sell D12 on in order to get him here: Extra paint protector + defensive depth + Twin towers or we tell him we will move asik to the bench/trade him for a stretch 4.

If/When D12 signs here, listen to his words closely, we can probably tell a lot about what the Rox promised him and thus what the plan will be regarding Asik.

 

They'd work fine together. For the most part Asik would back Howard up at the 5 and occasionally they'd share the floor with Howard moving to the PF position. It's pretty close to having Greg Smith or Thomas Robinson out on the court with Asik, only difference is that Howard is a hell of a lot more talented than Robinson or Smith could ever hope of being.