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Can anyone point me toward good books or information on investing in stocks?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by robbie380, May 21, 2003.

  1. A-Train

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    Hmmm...Maybe I should arbitrage with Iraq money. The way I see it, Iraq's economy can't get any WORSE than it is right now....Time for me to go get some Dinars. :D

    Oh yeah, I heard that Iraq currency with Saddam Hussein's picture on it is becoming a collector's item...
     
  2. robbie380

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    Ok well engineering you can learn from books. I did a fair amount of teaching it to myself even though I hated it with a passion. Anyhow, I am guessing I can teach myself this stuff if I am interested in it, right? I mean investment clubs do it, don't they? Many individuals do fine on their own, don't they? Also, I am not getting sucked into it through some etrade nonsense. I am getting sucked into it through some Peter Lynch nonsense. I dunno maybe the way he approaches things drives you crazy and maybe his criticisms are valid when people say he makes it sound like anyone can pick stocks, but I really don't understand why anyone can't pick stocks through intelligent research like he says. I am not trying to start a massive mutual fund. I just see a company trying to sell a technology that I think can be pretty successful. The company is also making deals with established companies to use exclusively their product. Their subscribers are going up and they are getting out of debt. I also see their competitor making similar deals, but being priced 9 to 10 times higher than Sirius.

    I am not looking to become an expert in analysis and valuation right now, but I am trying to get some sort of footing in it. Maybe the engineering comparison is valid here too...with engineering a lot of it is learning how the formulas work and how they are derived, but at the same time you don't need to know how the formulas are derived to be able to use them. Just like in calculus when you do a derivative...you don't need to know why the derivative of x^3 is 3x^2 (haha...I hope I remembered how to do those correctly) all you need to know is the formula to do the derivative to solve the problem. What I am trying to do is attempting to get a general idea of how things work and whether or not I am completely off base in my analysis of this situation.

    Also, I don't just plan on selling this stock for a quick turnaround (that is what my friend is planning on doing). If I get into it I plan on keeping it for awhile.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    I don't know, I figured that if the value of gold went up, then the value of gold funds would likely go up. Even though there is a lot of risk, the performance of the funds is still very closely tied to the value of gold. I don't really have time to go into buying futures.


    Here's what I found about gold funds (I bought #1 on the list in 2001):

    Mutual Fund rating service Morningstar.com recently ranked the top-performing mutual funds for the year-to-date 2002. Out of the top 50 funds ranked, gold mutual funds overwhelmingly dominated the list, along with a few bear market equity funds (e.g. Prudent Bear Fund).

    The ranking of funds includes the following top-performers along with percentage gain for the year:

    First Eagle SoGen Gold (+83%)
    Monterey OCM Gold (+68%)
    Tocqueville Gold (+64%)
    Gabelli Gold (+64%)
    ...
     
  4. A-Train

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    I hear Confederate Slaveholdings is a good stock...
     
  5. Fatty FatBastard

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    The funds have done well recently, but that has nothing to do with the valuation of gold.

    I'm just trying to make sure you understand the difference.
     
  6. droxford

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    A-Train

    I, too, have always had an interest in arbitrage, but the more I learn about it, the more I realize how difiicult it is to be good at it.

    In a broad sense, it is similar to other markets in that you invest in hopes that your investment value will fluxuate in your favor (instead of a stock, you invest in a currency).

    In order to make a smart investment, you'll need to fully understand what influences a country's global currency value, you'll need to be able to interpret that info to make a smart investment decision, and you'll need to monitor the activities of several companies and their economics/finances globally. On top of that, there's always the mystery of governments who do stuff secretly to influence the value of their currency.

    In addition, if you want to make any money, there are two basics to arbitrage (and other investing, for that matter).... If you invest in a Euro, wait for the right time, and then move it to a Yen, you will only make money if:
    A) the change in values was huge, and you invested at least a small amount of money
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    B) the change in values was small, and you invested a whole ton of money

    Ugh - this post it too long...

    I found it to be pretty intimidating... If you find some newbie-friendly info on it, could you post a link?

    -- droxford
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    I think I do. My stocks are basically gold mining companies hoping to find lots of gold. The value of gold is independent of that.

    Although, would it be wrong to think that these gold funds' performance is tied to the value of gold?
     
  8. omar23

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    Hey Robbie I'm 19 a student at UH and am already investing in the market. I would like to talk to you more about it -I can give you some info, do you use AOL IM? If so my screen name is Omar23.

    If not email me at omar23@houston.rr.com
     
  9. Bailey

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    Yes. Arbitrage is something else (specifically buying and selling immediately to take advantage of tiny differences in exchange rates).

    Arbitrage: a definition
     
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  10. No Worries

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    Many individuals do fine on their own, don't they?

    No, they don't. Listen to F.D. Khan. Read Asset Allocation: Balancing Financial Risk by Roger C. Gibson. Retire rich.
     
  11. Fatty FatBastard

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    Bailey: I'm fully aware of the arbitrage definition. However, those in the business use arbitrage to define currency fluctuations, also.

    My answer was assuming he was talking about short term fluctuations, and not long term.
     
  12. robbie380

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    I haven't got to reading that yet, but I have compiled a pretty decent reading list that I need to cover after I finish this Peter Lynch book. Note to self...Must devote more time to reading and not Clutchcity.

    Anyhow...are you telling me that an individual can't figure out of a stock is a good buy or not if they have educated themselves well enough? When I said many individuals do well I meant people who know what they are doing, not people who decided to get into the market before the bubble burst and screwed themselves.

    Also can anyone else address some of the other points I made in my previous post?
     
  13. No Worries

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    Anyhow...are you telling me that an individual can't figure out of a stock is a good buy or not if they have educated themselves well enough?

    The very best stock pickers oversee stock mutual funds, where they get paid the big $$$. Over a ten year period, only 10% of the actively managed stock funds can beat the S&P 500 index. Think about this. Stock fund managers have the best education, have the most detailed, current information on stocks, and spend their entire work day managing their portfolio. They as a group can not beat the index.

    The odds are even more against the part time non-professionals.

    Investing in a S&P 500 index stock fund has many advantages. For the initial investment of $3000, you get the diversity of owning 500 different stocks. Due to the low turnover, you also get tax advantages viz-a-viz other stock funds.
     
  14. robbie380

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    Well the problem with what you are saying there is that managed stock funds often have to stick to the philosophy of the fund. Meaning they aren't allowed the diversity of what an amateur has and they can't invest in stocks that they may like. Also these funds aren't allowed to be more than 5% invested into one stock, which means they can't buy a ton into a stock they like a lot. I dunno those are just a couple of the points Lynch makes in Beating the Street. Also, he talks about how investment clubs regularly beat the S&P and equity mutual funds. In the 1980's the majority beat the S&P and beat three quarters of mutual funds. In '91 62% beat the S&P and 69% in '92. Here are more current stats that I found that further back my point...

    http://www.better-investing.org/about/top100.html
    http://www.better-investing.org/about/fact.html

    So this shows individuals can regularly beat the S&P and mutual funds.

    Anyhow...can someone address any of the other points I had a couple posts back on this thread?
     
  15. No Worries

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    Actually, the first ten years of the Better Investing Top 100 Index tracked the SP500. The index does appear to have rode the tech bubble of the late 90s better than the SP 500, though it does look like the index is converging back to the SP 500 in 2000 and 2001.

    BTW, I am not saying that you should never invest in stocks, either by yourself or in a club. The smart move would be to limit the amount that you speculate on stocks, leaving the bulk of the money you need to retire in a diversified, risk managed portfolio.
     

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