by now , we have got a enough luxury combination in pf, althought randolph is a talented guy with good physical condition, if rox decide to continue a contract with yao, in my opinion, what rox lacks most is a commander, coz, tmac is no longer tmac 3 years ago, even if he can rehabilitate 60% - 70%, and surprisingly demand a contract less than 8m a year, we also need a commander(franchiser) who is able to take over the game, especially a good penetrator who can got enough freethrows during the critical time. whatever, i hope rox will finish this season with current roster(how far we will go really doesn't matter), and in summer, we can sign d-wade, and give tmac a contract(around 8m), considering the commercial profit, i believe rox must give yao a long-term contract(as a chinese roxman, tell the truth 10m is relatively rational for a suffering-heavy-injuries guy), so that's the major framework of the furture vision of rox. of course, that's just my imagination. anyway, may rox better and better.
No way I trade Landry and Bud for him straight up... I would rather take the bad contracts and use McGrady+1...
But what you don't understand is that Randolph can be had for a lot less than Landry and Budinger. Jesus. Why give them up?
And yet another thing you don't understand: You keep talking about Landry's reduced role next year. Because of Yao, right? Wouldn't Randolph, who plays the same position as Landry (and frankly, while a freakish talent, hasn't become a proven commodity like Carl) have the same reduced role? My God, man.
Oh, come on. Randolph can play at PF and in SF, if he shows any improvements in midrange-game. He can guard a perimeter players as well.
Before I answer your question, I want to make it clear that I am not advocating that Randolph is or is not worth Landry and Chase (as suggested earlier in this thread). That is a determination best left up to Morey and his vision of this team going forward which let's be honest not one of us really knows with any ounce of certainty at this point in time. However look at the previous deals GSW have made, and tell me that you couldn't steal away Randolph from this clueless organization (something akin to the Pau Gasol Heist by the Lakers). Now as far as the players you mentioned above, not one of them compares in any way shape or form to Randolph...not one of them got invited to Team USA tryouts at the age of 20 after only one season of sporadic play, because guys like Colangelo and Mike Kz. recognized his unique talents and gifts. There is no question that to get a guy like Randolph is to incur some type of risk, but then again the same could be said of almost any player in the NBA short of a handful of players. But the mere fact that you compared Randolph to the guys above, tells me that you either haven't seen him play much or you don't recognize this guy's abilities. The guy is someone with the versatility of Lamar Odom, and the same fierce desire to play ball as KG has. Your talking about a guy who could do absolutely anything on the court at both ends and who has the desire to reach that level. The guy's parents were in the armed forces, so he knows what discipline and hard work really mean, and with an opportunity to be molded by some credible coaches, he will attain that level barring any injuries (which he has no history of). I'm telling you that if he was in almost ANY other org. no one would even think of getting their hands on this guy via a trade. He is the type of player you build franchises around, and as good as guys like Landry, Al Jefferson, Aldridge etc are, none of them has higher ceilings than randolph because he can do something that all of them can't whether it is run the floor, rebound, block shots, handle the ball, develop a jump shot out to 3 point land etc. Look at those highlights posted above, and tell me who else has those kind of Highlights at the age of 19 in his FIRST YEAR in the LEAGUE with SPORADIC AT BEST PLAYING TIME. The guy is the very definition of a diamond in the rough.
Lol at all the people who think Randolph is just a athlete. He has a lot of skills, the guy just needs to be coached. Let him come here and play in a system like Adelman's and he'd blossom...to what I don't know...but Morey should be all over this
Dude, seriously? The same exact thing can be said for Landry. And actually has been said. Look I want Randolph. Really want him. But why do this when we can have both Landry and Randolph coming off the bench? That would be magical. Check it: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ye4smnm The pot might have to be sweetened for the Warriors but their front office is pretty turrible.
Crap. Well the trade goes something like this: Randolph, B. Wright, O'Neal to Rox McLady, Maggette, B. Cook to Heat Haslem, D. Cook, D. Wright, Dorsey to Warriors That works and we keep are essential parts.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...-slogan-buy-tickets-or-else-randolph-gets-it/ Warriors’ new slogan: Buy tickets or else Randolph gets it! POSTED BY TIM KAWAKAMI ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2009 AT 3:10 PM | * PANIC TIME IN WARRIORSLAND! Yippee. Always the most entertaining time of year, if not the most conducive to Warriors’ short-term or future success… Just checked in with an NBA source who 100% confirmed everything that Marcus Thompson II and Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski have been reporting: The Warriors have put Anthony Randolph (and everybody else) on the trade market to see what they can get. You know the Warriors: They’ll ALWAYS make the best deals possible! (Belinelli for George; Harrington for Crawford; Crawford for Claxton and Law. Wonderful.) In fact, the source emphasized that Randolph is absolutely being shopped, but also pointed out that Randolph is edging closer to extension time and that his continued erratic play (whoever’s fault) has many league execs concerned. So, in typical Warriors’ fashion, they’ve managed to both alienate and reduce their No. 1 prospect’s value more swiftly than any other franchise could possibly achieve. Congratulations, Warriors, you’ve done it again! Just brilliant. Geez, you wonder how they could possibly miss the playoffs 15 out of 16 Cohan seasons… This team has no plan or goal, no set philosophy or principles, other than to make Cohan as much money as possible by tricking Warriors fans into buying as many tickets as possible, and if the team wins games along the way, it’s purely by accident. And the team rarely wins that many games, as Rowell and Cohan chuckle to themselves. Makes them look even smarter! All this team does is react: Criticism over the summer? Shamelessly pump up Randolph, Curry and Morrow as future All-Stars! Lose games? Blame the media! Drop in ticket sales? PANIC! Trade everybody! Blame everybody! Order it up: YOU MUST BUY TIX OR ELSE WE TRADE THE KID. If Randolph (and the Warriors’ future) must be sacrificed to sell tickets, then so be it. Better solution than firing Rowell or something crazy like that. FYI: Randolph is 20, probably desperately wants to be traded (and has wanted it for a year now), and could turn into a star within a year or two, presuming he is far, far away from the Warriors when it happens. * Why would the Warriors consider trading Randolph–loudly proclaimed to be a future superstar by Warriors PR mavens just a few months ago–right now? Well, the 7-17 record is one thing. Even Bobby R. and his Cast of Shills can’t be pleased with that, especially as it relates to future ticket-purchasing. The Warriors, as recently reported, are down 22.3% in ticket-revenues from last year and already have drawn three smaller crowds than the smallest crowd of last year. It could get dramatically worse as we head into January-February. It could flat-line. Chris Cohan’s bank account will not be suffuse with 2010 money, it is safe to say. Warriors fans are incredibly forgiving, but even they might not shower love and kindness on a team that, according to my buddy Hollinger, has a .5% chance of making the playoffs. That’s after only 24 games. That’s less than 30% of the season. (They’re on pace for 24 wins, by the way.) And that .5% actually probably a little high. As long as the Warriors are owned by Cohan and run by Rowell, this is a .1% team. * The Warriors front office needs to fill seats. It’s desperation time for them. Cohan is losing money–yes, you heard it right, he is LOSING money. Which he does not like. So if Rowell-Riley-Nelson can put together a deal that trades away their headache in Randolph and excites the populace just a little by adding a big name, they’ll jump at it. The trouble is figuring out that big name, since every big name that’s available comes with baggage and question marks. * What can the Warriors get for any package involving Randolph? You know the first call they made was to Toronto, since Don Nelson would love to have Chris Bosh. But I just don’t see the Raptors mailing it in on Bosh quite yet even though he’s a free agent this summer. Plus, it’d take a lot more than Randolph to pry loose Bosh at this point–maybe Stephen Curry as an add-on, maybe Anthony Morrow–and how could Larry Riley plausibly support that deal knowing Bosh would be EXTREMELY unlikely to re-sign with the Warriors this summer. One league source pointed me to Memphis and Rudy Gay as a possible match for Randolph (two headaches, swapped for each other?), but again, it’s the same problem: Gay is a restricted FA this summer. Why in the world would he want to re-up with a franchise as disaster-prone as the Warriors? I’ve also heard Miami mentioned as a possible trade partner with the Warriors, but much of that involves the Heat’s potential interest in Andris Biedrins, who is likely a part of any big Warriors’ proposal. Biedrins isn’t very interested in sticking around and they’d need his $9M salary to make the money work if they’re acquiring another big salary. The Warriors of course could re-visit the tentative deal last summer with Phoenix, when the Warriors pulled out of a deal for Amare Stoudemire when Curry fell into their laps in the draft. Could the Warriors put Curry back into the deal (with Biedrins and a few others) and get Amare? But Stoudemire also can be an unrestricted FA this summer and DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY FOR THE WARRIORS. And Phoenix might ask for Curry and Randolph in such a deal. For a rental. Yikes. * Why does Randolph want out? Lots of reasons, mostly centered on the franchise silliness and his own stubbornness. Short-hand: If you’re Randolph and get screamed at and yanked out of games for fitful play, how does it feel to see Corey Maggette float around and jack up clangers from 3-point land without any consequence? * It’s a bit ironic that the guy the Warriors might decide they have to keep now is Monta Ellis, who they shopped a few weeks ago–AND LOUDLY DENIED SO IT MUST BE TRUE! He does sell tickets. He might not quite fit into anything long-term with the Warriors, and he might want out (he does, sorry Ralph), but Ellis is the most exciting sales point for a team that’s doomed to 25 to 30 wins into perpetuity. And Rowell and Cohan don’t believe in building an elite team. They believe in building a team that makes them money. Ellis still has a chance to make them money, even if Ellis, too, would prefer to get the hell out of here. Keeper! (Until they ruin his value, too.) * Must be oodles of pride emanating from Warriors headquarters: SI.com just named them the worst NBA organization of the decade. So deserving! * Sounds like the main potential buyer remains Larry Ellison, if Cohan finally admits that he has to sell. But Cohan is stubborn. He’ll try to hold out for $400M (ridiculously high asking price for a franchise Forbes just valued at $315M). Ellison won’t pay any stupid Cohan Premium. And so the standoff continues. * Hey, wait, the good times have arrived: Don Nelson’s back for tomorrow’s home game against San Antonio. Keith Smart went 3-7 in two separate five-game fill-ins (8 were road games) in Nelson’s grand absence. * I always mean to do a separate item on this, but it’ll have to be the tag to this one: The Warriors shills can’t shut up about this “injury-depleted team,” as if it’s the only excuse necessary to prove the internal true greatness of this 7-17 team. But as Steinmetz pointed out weeks ago: You can’t really cry about your injuries when you knowingly acquired three injured players (Devean George, Speedy Claxton and Raja Bell) SOLELY because they have expiring contracts. The Warriors gave up Marco Belinelli, Jamal Crawford and Stephen Jackson for those players. All healthy. And I’m lectured again and again about how those hurt expirings will be packaged together for some great trade and I’ll look silly. I think Cohan and Rowell mainly plan to let the expiring contracts… expire… and lower their payroll for 2010-’11. Doesn’t mean they won’t trade the expirings if the right deal comes along, but Cohan/Rowell essentially want the deals to come off the cap. They want to play their fans for suckers, basically. They’ve played them for suckers for years now. Yeah, keep buying tickets. This is a great time out.
There is not a more overrated player on this board I really don't get the obsession with this guy trading Landry and Budinger for him? Are you kidding me?
http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2009/12/15/nobody-on-warriors-untouchable/ I will say this with certainty – Randolph would welcome a trade. He would be none short of happy. I’ve heard that from several people close to him. Why the change in plan? Several factors. The primary one, I think, is that the team is underperforming, especially Randolph. Certainly, his attitude and lack of attention to detail has worn thin. It was expected that with Nellie out of the picture for five games, Smart — who has been working with Randolph one-on-one since he came into the league — would play Randolph. The fact that Smart didn’t, instead started Vladimir Radmanovic over Randolph and even played Chris Hunter ahead of Randolph on occasion, suggests Randolph is running out of allies in the organization. From Randolph’s perspective, how could he flourish when he is so handcuffed? Certainly, from the outside looking in, he is held to a different standard than the other players. His mistakes get him yanked, and others’ don’t. His poor shots reduce his minutes, while others get to chuck away unimpeded. When he doesn’t rebound, it’s problem. But the Warriors are the worst-rebounding team in the league, so clearly he isn’t the only one not rebounding. Randolph lately had been trying to tone down his game, and the results show in his lack of turnovers, which assuredly he thought would get him more time (when I asked him about it, he just gave me a look and dished out the company line). Perhaps GM Larry Riley sees the impasse and concluded that it would be best for everyone to if they found him a new home, especially if he can help them get the difference maker they covet. And they still have Brandan Wright in tow, who is ahead of Randolph in the eyes of some on the Warriors’ staff.
Not giving up any of our studs for him. I would take back bad contracts, but other than that, no way.
If we get Randolph I'm fine with giving away Landry...maybe even a pick. The reason? Landry is wasting as a backup pf here. Are we really gonna play him 20 mins a night? We can give Landry more PT, but what about Scola? Both of these guys are ideal PFs, having two of them together is a waste becaus they won't get the PT they deserve. On the other hand, Randolph is 9 years younger than Scola. We can have him off the bench the way we do Landry. Then in a few years when Scola starts declining we can reverse the roles: Scola will be the vet bench and Randolph will be our starting PF. There's no doubt in my mind Randolph will max out his potential here playing with good guys like AB, Lowry, Scola, Hayes and Battier. This team will turn him into a star.
This guy has the talent to be a superstar player, at his size the guy can handle the ball like odom and is very athletic, I would definitely take a chance on him especially under this coaching staff, their great at developing talent.
I hardly think that Houston has any "studs" at this point, obviously they have a number of Very Good Players who play exceptionally well as a team, but not one of those guys has All-Star or Super star potential. I can guarantee you that no one on Houston's active roster will ever get a max contract or even something approaching that anytime in the next decade from any team. That is precisely why every one else in the NBA is so shocked by what Houston has accomplished in the last few months. They have essentially formed a cohesive unit with a number of solid to potentially very good players (i.e. Landry and Brooks), none of whom has any true elite star potential, unlike Randolph who unequivocally does. The question remains whether or not this team's ceiling as currently constructed is anything other than an over achieving early playoff loss club, or if they need a young star (or old one for that matter) if they want to be a championship contender. And what price do you want to pay to be a championship contender?
