Randolph is 20 years old is 6'11 (yes he grew two inches in height) and has a ridiculous 7'3 wingspan... and is basically a SG/SF/PF-running-C the guy has the P word coaches salivate over... no not practice but POTENTIAL... i wouldnt give up too much for him possibly a future first cash considerations if its a package deal all depends on who comes with him if i'd pull the trigger or not
not really, you just don't have sufficient knowledge about the player to base your hyperbolic assertions....and even if you did watch every game as I did (in the last two years), then your talent evaluation is porous and I'm pretty stoked that Morey is our GM, and not someone of your caliber, even if Randolph never makes it a Rocket uniform.
Why can't Landry develop 3 point range? He added a solid mid-range and some post moves in 2 summers. A jumper takes touch and practice, things he clearly have. Additionally, you don't need to be an uber athlete to be a good defender. Ask Rodman, Ben Wallace or Anthony Mason. I also can't conclude who will be better at 26 because we have no idea what Landrys ceiling is. He has shown massive improvement in 2 years. Do you realize how hard it is for a PF to shoot above 55% when they take a good amount of jumpers? Do you not realize Landry is one of the best finishers in the league at his position? You won't find many guys constantly improving like Carl, 27 or not.
Someones talent evaluation is porous because they don't agree with your assertion? We are all entitled to our opinions dude. Unless you work for a team in scouting or something no need to come across like that, or if your eye is really that good then you should be working for the league.
I watched the guy enough to know he is not very intelligent on the court, easily frustrated and immature. Couple my observations with the reports out of Golden State about how uncoachable he is and I know all I need to know about him. The fact that they are shopping him tells you what GS thinks of his potential. Get those panties adjusted yet?
Houston Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: +18.0 ppg, +8.8 rpg, and +0.6 apg. Incoming Players Anthony Randolph 6-10 PF from LSU 11.1 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.7 minutes Corey Maggette 6-6 SF from Duke 15.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.7 minutes Outgoing Players Shane Battier 6-8 SF from Duke 8.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 31.9 minutes Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois 0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.4 minutes (See above) Portland Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -12.3 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and -3.0 apg. Incoming Players Shane Battier 6-8 SF from Duke 8.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.2 apg in 31.9 minutes Brian Cook 6-9 PF from Illinois 0.7 ppg, 0.3 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.4 minutes Outgoing Players Travis Outlaw 6-9 SF from Starkville (HS) 9.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.0 minutes Andre Miller 0-0 from 11.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.5 apg in 27.4 minutes (Gets Shane for Miller like they want. Picks up Cook's expiring for Travis' who is out indefinately (not that they will use Cook but other than giving up the rights of an injured player) and that is the price of getting Shane for Miller) Golden State Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -5.7 ppg, -5.7 rpg, and +2.4 apg. Incoming Players Travis Outlaw 6-9 SF from Starkville (HS) 9.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.0 minutes Andre Miller 0-0 from 11.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 4.5 apg in 27.4 minutes Outgoing Players Anthony Randolph 6-10 PF from LSU 11.1 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 21.7 minutes Corey Maggette 6-6 SF from Duke 15.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 1.8 apg in 25.7 minutes (Gets a backup pg to take some of the 48 minutes from Monta as well as some 2010 cap space)
c'mon you're telling me that you seriously don't know why Landry will never have a good 3 point shot? That's basic basketball right there, Landry shoots a jumper that is heavily dependent on his upper body and has hitch at the top. You don't notice that when he extends out past the Elbow, he is short on a much higher percentage of his jumpers because his range only extends to 18 feet and in order to expand that range he would have to completely change his form to incorporate more lift from his lower body. There is now way that Landry will ever develop a reliable 3 point shot for those very reasons. The guy is a PF and plays like one. As far as his FG% it's definitely nice but hardly exceptional, the guy gets the majority of his buckets (and this part is indisputable, just look up his shot charts) in and around the paint off of the post, or off of the offensive glass, with the other large chunk of his points coming from the line which he gets to an avg of 4 times in the 4th quarter alone. Based upon his position and his game the 55% is to be expected if he is a good player which he is. I tell you what is exceptional is a guard shooting 60% for a month (Monta Ellis did this in his 2nd year) and over 50 % in a season (very few guards do that). As far as this improving thing that you seem have to gotten stuck on, there are many many NBA players who improve significantly from year to year, that's why there is a MIP award every season that has about 6-10 different candidates every year. No question Landry has improved greatly in the past year but you are being unreasonable if you expect the same jump from him each year. You think that he would seriously avg 25 and 12 next year? Because that would have to be the same huge jump he would have to make in order to take his game to the next level. And lastly you can't teach size or athleticism and Landry has neither compared to Randolph, so you can't sit there and tell me that both players will just as good on the defensive side of the ball, when one player has significantly better physical tools than the other. And all those guys you mentioned were 6'8-6'9 with much bigger bodies than Landry, especially Mason and Wallace, Rodman not so much, but then he was a very unique player with incredible athletic abilities that Landry is nowhere close to.
well apparently you were playing too much with those favorite panties of yours while you were watching those 8 games of his to notice what is fairly obvious to any non pre-pubescent brain. but then again ESPN two line insider reports from GSW are rarely wrong, so what can an actual day to day observer of the team know about the situation that is not apparent in second hand reports and 8 games of half hearted panty influenced observations.
I would do a 3 team trade with Miami and GSW T-Mac, Cook and Dorsey would be the trading chips Miami would give Beasley to GSW as part of a pckage. Rox would get Randolph and either Maggette or Biedrins. I haven't checked the trade checker to see what parts fit.
And the Warriors want to do that because...? I really can't see any reason that trade makes sense for the Warriors.
I can't really understand what you're saying here but I'm sure it's gold. You own this thread so play on player. At the end of the day, the Rockets are not going to trade Landry and/or Budinger for Randolph. Randolph isn't going to be a star because he's a headcase and mentally weak. But keep hope alive.
Does not look like the Warriors are just looking to include Monta in a deal to get rid of salary. Looks like he is actually on their list of preferred keepers. http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63442/20091216/warriors_willing_to_trade_randolph/#
The most important aspect to remember in almost every trade scenario is thinking: What kind of packages could other teams offer that would be more desirable than the Rockets? If we're not willing to give up young talent, which most of us are hesitant to do, then we're left with McGrady's contract. So, the only incentive we can offer is taking on long-term "poison pill" contracts like Ellis (although they probably would like to keep him), Maggette, and Beidrins. As far as the Warriors are concerned, they want Monta. So, let's explore options that don't include him but would basically have to include Maggette.
It's got to be somewhat exceptional. Your boy Anthony Randolph is only shooting 49% on his shots in and around the paint. www.nba.com/hotspots - Carl is a full 15% better. What's more, with the exception with a spot or two, Carl is also a better shooter pretty much everywhere else on the floor, from long range or otherwise. It's clear that you are a Warriors fan and would want Carl Landry on the team. You LIVE IN THE BAY AREA. But this is a ROCKETS board. So it doesn't matter how many times you call the posters on here crazy, they still won't think trading you Carl Landry for Anthony Randolph makes a lot of sense. Adding Budinger into the mix is idiotic. Of the 4 contributing Rockets big men, Landry would be the last one likely to be traded for Randolph (short of a much sweeter package). I'd rather give up Scola (given his age, and contract expiring), but even then likely wouldn't do that. Randolph has a ton of potential, but it's just potential for now. As one of the articles even notes, a ton of GMs out there are gun-shy about his potential now, too, because of his attitude, basketball IQ and lack of year over year improvement. Some of the other proposed trades in this thread make more sense. In any trade with the Warriors, I'd want to get back 2 of these 4 (Ellis, Biedrins, Randolph, Morrow). I'd prefer Ellis + Randolph, but would be intrigued by Ellis other combinations (though clearly Biedrins, because of his contract, would be less attractive, and Morrow would be 3rd on the list of wants - great scorer, but inconsistent and not much else). In return, I'd be willing to trade, in some combination, pretty much any Rocket EXCEPT Landry and Budinger. If Brooks or Lowry are included in any deal, I'd HAVE to be getting Ellis in return. If Scola is included in any deal, I'd HAVE to get at least Randolph in return. I would be willing to take back contracts, of which Biedrins is one anyway, but would definitely include Maggette. Maggette is the big bargaining chip here. He has 3 more years left on his contract at $9 million plus. If anything, your analysis of his game is spot-on. I suspect and do see some mailing in of it, because of his situation, be he's clearly lost a step or two, and would not be an asset many GM's would want. Conversely, his contract will handcuff the Warriors for the next 3 years. In return for taking on Maggette, though, I'd have to also get some combination of Ellis, Randolph, Morrow. The following could be fair: Mcgrady, Brooks, Draft Pick (or two) for Ellis, Randolph, Maggette To sweeten the deal, I might add in Hayes and take Turiaf's contract off your hands. It is almost entirely a cap move for the Warriors, though they do get the ever improving Brooks. But the big thing is that they trade away players with 3, 4, 1, and 1 years left on their contract in exchange for $25 million of expirings and AB. Their team would not be very good, though it isn't now. Salary for next year would be at +/- $26 million, meaning they could potentially get a big name free agent, or two very good ones (say a David Lee, Carlos Boozer type). Plus their draft picks (which, honestly, they draft fairly well), plus AB, Biedrins, Morrow, T-Mac...at least its a move in the right direction.
I think this would be a really stupid trade for us. As an Oregonian, I know exactly how much of an idiot Zach Randolph is. He caused a lot of the issues for the Jail Blazers back in the day. He is a lockerroom cancer. He also has two years left for a total of $33 million!! He is a blackhole on offense and he has questionable work ethic. Brooks and Lowry are playing great for us. Why would we want to ruin that and bring in Ellis?! Randolph would definitely be a good player for us to have, but we don't want to ruin any of the team chemistry we have. There are much better trades out there!!
Didn't he scream at Yao after he dunked on him? Than Yao got him back and put him on a poster. I don't think they like each other... He'd be a great addition too.
