Cam Whitmore traded to Wizards for 2 2nd round picks

Stone said that? Prove it.

 

I think its proven that only Jalen and Cam were offered right?

 

Nope. Nothing has been proven. We don’t know what all the give and take was. Phoenix was trying to get more and the Rockets were trying to give less. In the end, the only logical way to get it done was with either FVV at his team option of 44m and more than 1 pick or Dillon and Jalen to make the money work. Cam had nothing to do with it. His 3M didn’t mean sh*t.

Phoenix may have wanted Jabari more than Green, but then we would’ve had to add even more players (probably Tari) to make it happen and keep Green. I know the haters want to say otherwise, but Green had more trade value than everyone other than Amen, Sengun, and Jabari, just because of potential which is still a factor with a 23 year old player with mulitple all-star like performances. I’m not sold on Green ever being an all-star, but one of the GM’s will bite with a couple of 1st round picks if he has a year just a little more efficient than last year.

Anyway, we have Durant and I hope Green sucks for as long as he is playing in the West.

 

I don't know why you are using "not good" and "not improved" interchangeably. If I was a B student and still am a B student. And you used to be a F student who is now a D student. I am still a better student than you but I have also not improved. While you have improved. I said Jalen didn't really improve (much). Not that he was bad. He's probably Cam Thomas level, which the Nets reportedly are offering $14mil/yr. That's a rotation player level salary.

 

You are conflating playing in a more structured environment with improving. I can see why it's hard to tell because you don't have access to the parallel universe in which Ime Udoka is coaching a rotation with guys like Nix, Garuba, Mathews, etc. alongside Jalen. You just assume that Ime is making the difference and not using up $80mil of capspace on non-tanking players. But because I do watch games and do watch how players interact with each other, I saw what kind of players are playing alongside Jalen and how that's affecting his production.

 

his salary didn't but Rockets gave them a choice picks or Cam and Phoenix went with the pics.

So the Rockets offered and were ready to part with FVV, Dillon, Jalen, and Cam

not Alpi not Amen not Jabari not Tari not Shepperd

 

Stone said that the offer to Phoenix was the only way the salaries matched that worked for the Rockets. I don't recall anything from Stone on Cam being included in the trade, and that doesn't sound like something Stone would say. The implication of what I've heard Stone say was that it was Jalen and Brooks for Durant regarding salary matching. I took this as FVV, JSJ, Amen, Tari, and Reed were never considered in the trade from the Rockets' side.

Cam's inclusion would have been about sending Cam to a third team, and not as salary matching. If Cam was offered, Phoenix turned him down as they wanted the SRPs more in trades than Cam. Considering Cam only netted the Rockets 2 SRPs, Phoenix made a wise choice.

 

REPORT: Cam Whitmore was offered to the Phoenix Suns in the Kevin Durant trade, but Phoenix opted for second round picks from Washington instead. Houston traded the 20 year old to Washington for two 2nd round picks

 

Steph and many others.

It is easier to teach a good offensive player how to play defense than it is to teach a good defender how to play offense.

Defenders are a dime a dozen, good quality scorers are hard to find.

DD

 

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It would be a valid point if Cam was a good offensive player.

 

I've not heard Stone say that. It would not surprise me if it was true.

This has not been proven. Considering what Sexton got back in a trade and Brooklyn playing hardball with Cam Thomas, the small score-first guard has not been in demand this offseason. Jalen Green is not a Top 50 player like his contract would suggest. It is very doubtful other teams would deal 2 FRPs for Green and then pay him like a Top 50 player. Considering the reporting on other offers, it does not seem like any team offered anything close to the equivalent of 3 FRPs for Durant.

 

I said if he improved. Potential is key with young players. We couldn’t get two picks for him after his disastrous playoff performance, I bet we could have during one of his hot streaks. I don’t think he gets as much attention in Phoenix and his numbers get better. We will see. For the record, I hope he sucks in Phoenix and they don’t get sh*t for him.

 

He is a VERY good offensive player - at only 20 he had better splits than Jalen did....

And he is getting better, every time he has more minutes he was even more efficient.

The problem was he would hang his head, if he missed at times, or not focus in on defense - when focused he is excellent on D too....

The point was he was only 20 years old, barely out of high school and clearly had some growing up to do......but you don't TOSS ELITE talent like that away because he is headstrong.

You mold that young man into an adult - and you take off as a franchise.

Cam has that "IT" factor you are always looking for the only other one on the Rockets last year that has something like that is Amen .......now we have KD too....but you don't trade "IT" guys until you are 100% sure they won't help.

It was short sighted and frankly stupid.

DD

 

Maybe they were 100% sure. They were with the guy every day you know, unlike a couch coach like you that said pretty much the same about KPJ.

 

just because people realize the Jalen's ceiling is nothing but a inefficient chucker who cannot impact winning doesn't make them a hater

so all teams other teams or players or GMs or analysts or fans who has as high opition as you on JG are all haters?

 

KPJ is still in the league and doing quite well - and we gave up on him BEFORE it got through the court system - you don't toss away talent on allegations, you suspend it, and then see what happens.

This is another example of Stone acting quickly before the information is in......it is not equivalent but it is indicative of impatience, and someone that doesn't understand young talented guys with troubles can sometimes mature.

Now, no way, am I saying KPJ is on Cam's level he is not....but KPJ has a skillset that is completely missing on this Rockets team a drive and dish skillset that we could really use.

As for Cam, I think he is a star player with potential to be a superstar - he is the only guy I have ever said that about and I have been on this site for 30 years.

DD

 

Cam is doomed for sure now

 

On the one hand I agree with DD with Cam's potential, he is very young and he could show something. On the other hand, when DD goes full blown for a player their career is basically shot, so I'm heavily conflicted. Will this be the exception to the rule or will the DD curse strike yet again?

Honestly, if I had to bet, I would say Cam is screwed.

 

If tomorrow is anything like yesterday, I’d say that’s probably correct

 

This narrative is completely wrong, I was all in on Yao before anyone else, same for Scola, and several others.

What people do here, because they have an agenda is misconstrue the context of role players I like.....

Guys I want to see given a chance.....not because I think they are good, but I WANT TO FIND OUT if they are good.

VSpan is a great example, all I knew was that Rafer Alston SUCKED so we should find out what VSpan can do...and he ended up being a very good player, but in Europe.....

So, don't confuse role players I want to see given a chance for guys I really believe in......Cam is a guy I see that has major potential - no guarantee he gets there, but I believe he will.

No one else in my 29+ years on this site have I said that about early in his career.....and while the narrative of my haters is I am wrong, for a little context, I was out on Jalen GREEN before we drafted him (wanted Mobley), I had Amen number 2 on my draft board.....so, that narrative is completely false.



What happens is, I post so damned much and get in arguments that the original context is probably missed by a lot of people.....that is on me.

DD