Amen is a good example and even to a lesser extent Tari before injuries of guys working hard and earning their minutes or starts. I'm a fan of Cam and guys like Reed, who have a ton of talent, but also some players develop better without having everything handed to them and earning their minutes fairly. Work hard in practice, the minutes you have and have a good attitude in interviews and guys start getting opportunities. He needs to work hard and take it with team wins, all around play, a team first attitude and impact. Steal the show in your time and most importantly impact wins like Amen and Tari have.
You're getting shrill about Jalen again. The problem is that now everyone has seen the truth about him. He's mediocre and not a starting SG on a playoff team. Every time someone reminds you of this you get pouty. Defense: DFG% against: Jalen 47% Cam 43.9% Advantage Cam (they were even last year at 48.1%) Passing: Jalen has a big edge here. But he's a turnover machine when token pressure is applied. He doesn't see the court well and can't pass out of a double team. He makes bad decisions with the ball. Catch and Shoot: Jalen 40.9% Cam 32.7% Jalen has a big advantage here (but this was reversed last year) Rim shots: Jalen 61.1% Cam 60.2% Small Advantage to Jalen (but last year this was reversed) Jalen isn't tough. He disappeared in the playoffs, remember? Wait, he did talk smack to Draymond after that one game. Then Jalen showed out with 12 points on 3-8 shooting that next game. He's tough! Udoka dreams for the opportunity to have a tough player like himself out there rather than Jalen. Do you think Udoka missed that disappearing act in the playoffs? He knows what he has in Jalen and he's pissed that Stone put so much stock in Jalen just because he was the #2 pick. But that 5th year will show me how you are right on this one.
While I agree with you about Cam, its laughable a KPJ wifebeater fan is on here claiming to have superior foresight lol
Sorry to tell you, "everyone" has not seen your truth about Jalen. Namely the Head Coach. Do you really want me to embarrass you for what you did with your numbers? First of all, it's a joke to even utter that Cam is remotely the defender Jalen is. Cam's defense in garbage minutes is as good as Jalen's defense against actual NBA players. Ime Udoka praises Jalen's defense and won't give Cam a minute. No one will take this seriously. You couldn't twist the catch and shoot numbers. On the rim shots you really want to compare Cam's 1 attempt against G League calibre players to Jalen's team-leading rim shots? Really? And ignore that Jalen is doing it on DOUBLE the attempts? You're even out here making things up about Udoka when I'm telling you what he has said about about Jalen and Cam. He could have said nice things about Cam to keep his trade value up like he allegedly does for Jalen, but instead he essentially called him a liar in front of the media. Facts: Cam Whitmore by the second half of his second season couldn't steal 1 minute from the Jalen Green you're saying is so terrible. Please, stop embarrassing yourself. Jalen had a bad playoff series against the Golden State Warriors. Cam Whitmore can't get a regular season minute. Your response was to insinuate that only people who are fans of Jalen Green are down on Cam. I can see now why you are the way you are about Jalen Green. You're bitter AF about Cam Whitmore.
Look at the 3 point % of Reed Sheppard and Cam Whitmore this season before and after the all star: Reed: 27,3% - 48,8%. Cam: 31,3% - 52,8%. They just need to be trusted
Gosh you're worked up. You might need a nap. I expect Udoka to pump up Jalen. He wants him traded. Remember when they tried to trade him for Bridges? Jalen's year was bad, not just the playoffs. He's the same player he has been since he was drafted. No shot-making skill, no midrange, can't get to the line, and CRUMPLES under pressure. He was better his second year, when he could draw fouls. Now Curry can guard him man-to-man and he shrivels. Jalen is an athletic player who needs to blow by a defender to score and can't do it consistently. His shooting is streaky and it limits his ceiling. He's had four years to improve and hasn't. You need to accept this.
That's great, I like the improvement and actually want them to succeed and help the team win. But I try to be as objective as possible to be fair, look at their defensive ratings post all star as well. Now both samples are small for the three point percentage and defense, but looking at all of it holistically they still have work to do. But I'm encouraged they show some signs. Amen and Tari earned trust with their play, development and consistency to contribute to wins. Next time both Cam and Reed start, they need to win those games or have a high impact in a close one consistently. I have confidence they'll get there, get better and just need to put in the work and learning the game over time.
Back where we always end. You get put in your place and then it’s too much for you. I’ll let your comments sit, seeing as you’ve completely abandoned defending Cam. You didn’t even bother trying anymore. Thanks for the chat, enjoy your conspiracies about Ime Udoka being critical of players he likes and complimentary about players he wants gone. Makes a lot of sense.
Look that just isn't true, they all got chances before Cam got here, with the exception of Amen - but even he got put in early, and that is the problem with the roster, we have older players blocking better ones.....like FVV, Brooks etc... We need to get rid of the old guys, they aren't going to get us anywhere and go straight up young. DD
I don’t think Jalen is going to be a star. I don’t think he has to be. People need to forget his draft position and think about his position on this team. He is a 22 year old player with tremendous potential and athletic ability. He improved his defense and ever so slightly became a better playmaker. Laying this team’s weaknesses at his feet is ridiculous. Trade him if the return is substantial. Who cares if he lives up to the 2nd pick in the draft if he is a positive contributor on a good team. FVV and Ime are far bigger issues for this team. We don’t know if Jalen will be a positive contributor on a fast paced team (which we need to be), but we do know that FVV will never be a positive contributor on a fast paced team. He is not that guy and never will be. I’m all for trading Jalen for a long term upgrade, but acting like he is the only issue on this team is beyond ridiculous.
We can agree to disagree here, and I'll be moving on. Those other players and vets played better and helped impact winning more when you look at running an offense, defensive impact and most importantly consistency. Young players and rookies are still developing and working on consistency, and that's fine and normal. The competition wasn't the same past years as it is now, no more bottom dwellers who don't care and now a much improved playoff team in the west. No one is going to hand it to you, you have to earn it fairly, and honestly Cam and Reed should have opportunities here soon. Reed and Cam will have chances to start again next year, they just need to win those games and have a high impact consistently. Don't get blown out in starts, show why you're better in the time you're given. I hope they do improve and get it.
There's no reason to defend Cam, you aren't willing to see it because he is a threat to your precious Jalen. Nothing you can say changes that Jalen was awful during the playoffs. Nothing. No amount of crying will change that. He's mediocre and so is your incessant defense of him.
The problem is that we are not going to win EVER with Brooks and FVV starting, they just aren't good enough and athletic enough, so the sooner we replace them, and yes, we might get a bit worse at first, the sooner we get to contender status.... If FVV and Brooks came off the bench - I would be ok with that, but I think Ime is stubborn and loves his favorites. DD
Yeah you sound like Draymond green lol. Dillon Brooks is an elite role player who would start for probably all of the remaining playoff teams (or at least be in the 7 man rotation) There's literally nothing more you can ask of a 3&D role player - hes on a cheap deal - he is the least of the Rockets worries Frankly same with FVV who was probably the best player in the playoffs for the team. The bigger worry is that the team has no superstar and lacks spacers - Brooks has zero to do with it. That's easy honestly. Come on you're smarter than this
With the pacers and thunder playing 9 or 10 players on any given night in the playoffs, you could argue Cam and Reed could have seen some minutes to allow the starters to get some rest. Didn’t have to be huge minutes 5-10. Maybe Ime might of struck some gold in that time. You never know if you don’t try.
Why did you do that? DFG% of 47% (regular season) and then say his performance in the playoffs showed Jalen Green is not a good enough Starting Guard in the playoffs. 35.4 DFG% in 24/25 playoffs. Regular season has greater weight applied to it, or less?
Hard to compare his playoff defence to Cam if Cam didn't play in post season lol. You can only use similar stats or else the comparisons wouldnt be fair.
200 pages on some nowhere near proven potential... but probably a mere 20 if and when he reaches this " Superstarl" projection yall keep wishing on him ..
