You are just wrong - the Rockets have not given him chance after chance, he has been living under a quick hook for 2 years, hasn't had the opportunity that Jalen had to play through mistakes... It has to do with the Rockets being a WINNING team - and him having guys ahead of him that also need minutes - it is a bad fit. So much of one that we have NO IDEA how good or bad he is, because he just hasn't played consistently for even say 2 months......he gets sporadic minutes.... And, he sees players like Tate who suck playing ahead of him because Ime values defense over anything else, and Cam is intermittent on D, yes that is on him, but he is a 20 year old player who has athletic gifts, but is glued to the bench - not every situation is good for both team and player. If I were Cam, I would want OUT of Houston, ASAP - he needs a place that he can play significant minutes at SG/SF and make mistakes and grow from them, he is wasting away in Houston - there aren't enough practices to make a difference and he is far too good for the Gleague. What sucks though is his TALENT is way better than his trade value because Ime won't play him. Stone should force Ime to play him at least 15-20mpg........we aren't winning a ring this year - we need to make tough decisions and we have no clue what he will or won't become. That is bullshit - I don't LIKE Cam, I don't know how good he is or isn't....because we haven't played him enough to find out - as a ROCKET's fan I want Stone to make the right choices, and his data is incomplete.....IMHO. DD
I’m wrong but I know, so ooookay. I love the talent, love that he’s a dog but dude needs to grow up and make some changes. He’s taking things for granted. When you’re young, headstrong and experienced that tends to happen.
The other thing to remember about Cam, and I'm not about excuses, but the dude might look like a 35 year old man, but he's not even that close to being able to legally buy a beer yet. Dude's a man child. His immaturity isn't exactly abnormal for his age. He needs a mentor desperately.
See, I agree with all of that. I just think it is a bad fit, because he needs time on the court, and the Rox have others that were here first and are of like skill that are in line ahead of him..... He won't get it here, so I contend he may need to leave, my point is that the Rox won't get what he is worth because his trade value is lower because he hasn't gotten the time, which is circumstantial more than talent related. My entire point is I want the Rox to get the most they can out of his talent either on the court or trade, and they are not getting either at this point. DD
If you think Cam Whitmore is down bad now, wait till next month when the Rockets sign Joe Johnson for the playoffs.
I’m concerned about Cam’s future on the Rockets. Doesn’t seem like he wants to be here anymore and looks checked out
Look I get that, but this happens to tons of players in the league and they have to force their way out - generally they don't do well, but plenty of them who are stuck behind others blow up elsewhere. Drazen Petrovich, Dale Ellis, SGA to name a few. DD
DD, Cam got 17 min a game last year as a rookie on a crowded roster and played incredibly well. He made the most of his opportunities. This year Cam has played close to the same minutes, but has played poorly. There’s only been marginal improvement on the other things the coaching staff has asked of him, and his shooting has been down right bad. He was in the rotation to start the year, but just hasnt played well enough and now we are trying to win more than develop prospects. Cam has also not helped his cause with a poor attitude. Claiming Cam hasnt had a real chance is nonsense. He’s having a poor sophomore season and Ime is playing guys who he thinks give us a better chance to win. Cam isn’t the first player to have a sophomore slump. All he needs to do is put his head down and work hard. He’ll either be back in the rotation or on another team. It will work itself out. if you can’t overcome adversity it doesn’t bode well for your long term success in the nba. Immense talent, questionable head. I hope he comes back next year better and ready to compete for valuable minutes instead of feeling entitled to minutes and pouting if things don’t go his way. He’s just a kid and has a chance to have a great career, but I suspect the rockets will move on if he doesn’t get his attitude right. Unfortunately he’s tanking his value right now. That’s not on Ime.
I hear you, and well spoken, but I don't absolve him, but saying he has had the same chance this year is just not true, he was 6th or 7th man, this year he is 9th..... And he has been pulled quickly - because we are now trying to win, and he isn't really a winning player right now, the point I am trying to make is, we have a roster of like players, we have to move 3 or so of them - would you trade Jalen Green and keep Cam? Because Green will net a better player than Cam, or would you trade Cam - and settle for less....??? This is what is facing this org, and it feels like poker where you think you know the cards, but you are really just making an educated guess. And on no planet should JeSean Tate be playing for this team. DD
Jalen is not a great player either, the point is who brings more in return, if a championship player becomes available, they are going to request value in return, our two best value props are Jalen and Sengun - neither are GREAT players, they are just good players.....probably never going to be great either. So, you get more for trading more.... Cam, is likely not going to be great either but we don't know what he is yet, because he just hasn't played enough - right now, he isn't even worth a FRP, he would have been last summer -but we held on. My thinking is about winning a ring, not about players I like - who best do we keep to get us CLOSER to being a contender. I personally don't believe you can win building AROUND Sengun or Jalen - they aren't that good, they are both at best secondary players on a championship team - not the alpha..... We don't have an Alpha, imho,.....the closest on the roster to being one? Amen Thompson, so for me, I build around him and ANYONE is tradeable. Just trying to explain how I view these things....it is all about building for a shot at a ring, nothing else matters to me. DD
Is Jalen untouchable? Of course not. But whether we trade him or not will have nothing to do with Cam. The way you phrased it sounded like “Cam is making Jalen dispensable”. No. Cam as is isn’t making anyone dispensable.
Cam as is making Cam dispensable. And which team will want to trade for a sophomore who pouts when things not going his way. He was not valued that high in the draft to begin with. It is delusional to think Cam can be great if he is on other team.
It's clear DD is drawn to a certain type of basketball personality. His guys - Spanoulis, KPJ, now Cam - all are ME guys. Attitude problems, sulky, Terrence Williams types. Unfortunately, I don't think any of them worked out. Ime has made it clear he's giving minutes to WE guys who want to play defense and sacrifice for team success. Now we're supposed to trade away our leading scorer, Green, a guy who makes mistakes but shows up every day and is working hard at defense, so we can give a starting spot to Cam? When we're the #4 seed and trying to build a contender? GTFO with that nonsense.
I’ve said it multiple times - he’s a younger Cam Thomas and he needs to grow past that or he will follow in his footsteps
