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Calvin Murphy: Rockets need to take shots available even mid range

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Andre0087, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. Clarinetmonster

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    Umm, you just lambasted someone for starting a thread about moving away from Moreyball - but it sounds like you agree. strange.
     
  2. JBar

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    In other words, you shoot open long twos to keep defenses honest, thus opening up more open threes and paths to the basket.
     
  3. LosPollosHermanos

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    They don't have to be long , they. Can be at that signature position at the top of the key. That's where Memphis kept hitting shots from.
     
  4. RoxBeliever

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    The team needs to set more screens and cuts to free people up to shoot.

    Any shot--3s, 2s, at the rim--as long as they go in. Problem is nothing is going in, so coaches need to change things up. Drastically. Discouraging to see even Harden cannot shoot these days.
     
  5. GanjaRocket

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    as they stand, the Rockets are the most gimmicky team in the whole league.


    no real identity, besides, we are going to try and outshoot the other team tonight..


    that **** doesnt cut it against memphis-like teams that grind you out
     
  6. GanjaRocket

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    this team has the potential to be 'classic'


    but right now they feel like a here and gone already 'catchy pop' team
     
  7. DraftBoy10

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    We need at least 3 players on the perimeter that can shoot 37% from deep or better.

    Bev is shooting 33%-- junk
    Lin is shooting 32%--junk

    These two combine for nearly eight 3-point attempts a game.

    Harden & Parsons are staples; so they don't count but need to be shooting 34% or better.

    Casspi/Garcia I believe are excellent shoters capable of 38-40% +. They aren't 20mpg players, more like 10-15mpg spot minute players.

    Lin & Bev need to start hitting their shots, we should also include AB in our rotation. AB/Lin as our backcourt duo off the bench would be great.

    Bev/Lin's attempts aren't very heavy, they need to start making them.
     
  8. FTW Rockets FTW

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    Rox won't shoot mid range J's. Perhaps one of the reasons Morey turned down the Boston offer. Bass is a good mid range shooter
     
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    Yes...
     
  10. deedee82

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    Like the signature foot on the line? :rolleyes:
     
  11. PeterKingX

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    I really doubt Morey's basketball knowledge because he said mid-range is inefficient.
     
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    No, its a step behind the FT line.
     
  13. JLFan

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    When Jeremy Lin gets 6 shots in a game going 4/6 and Beverly goes 1/11, I don't think you can blame Lin for not being reliable.
    I think the Rockets biggest problem is their perimeter and interior D, transition D and wait actually just their D in general.
    Not sure if they need someone like MWP or like an Ibaka type or maybe just need Asik to play but I think if Lin gets traded for like a Ryan Anderson and Asik plays again then the Rockets will have depth on the bench since AB is a great shooter as well.
     
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    The issue isn't just that we try to take only one type of shot or not, we do take midrange shots.

    The issue is we burn too much time with the ball in one players hands early in the shot clock. We got to move more fluidly on offense and pass that Rock around. Too many pump fakes are letting the defenses recover. Be more decisive. Either drive, shoot or pass. Not pump fake and then not drive wasting precious time off the clock and now facing a set defense.

    Parson does that a lot. Harden drives and then has no wear to go. Why the heck is someone not giving him a better pick and roll. And why isn't another player rotating away from the paint to get an open jump shot and try to pull a defender away from the basket from once?

    Or is it that T-jones and Dmo can't hit a 15 foot jumper for the life of them?
     
  15. Richard Djunk

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    Beverly seems like a good dude, but he is the ****tiest starting PG in the league. He would not start on any other team.
     
  16. Richard Djunk

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    Oops, this was meant to be posted in a different thread, apologies.
     
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    Why would any team NOT want you to shoot long 2s? Except for a few specific players, anyone who can shoot long 2s at a high clip can shoot 3s at a monster clip. If Parsons makes 50% of his 18 footers, teams are going to allow that because it would mean his 3pt shooting is likely in the 40s.

    There's a reason why the Rockets let Aldridge hoist up that long 2 every time we play the Blazers. He gets reputation as a Rockets killer because its the shot that the Rockets always give the Blazers. So Aldridge always shoot a bunch of them. The Rockets have also generally won against the Blazers, including a playoff series.

    If you have a player that can make their long 2s, teams are still going to give them those long 2s. See SA vs. Miami NBA finals.
     
  18. zipcrash

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    spurs and heat adopted some aspects, but they aren't 100% MDA styled teams. they are more well rounded.

    this team needs more bruce lee. there isn't ONE style. take what works on the court, and cut what doesn't. be water and all that.
     
  19. BackNthDay

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    This is crazy, if I hit my midrange and your off on 3 pointers, which is more likely. I will win the game every time. Now image this scenario over a 7 game series, which is more likely a team hitting mid range jumpers vs. 3 pointers. You may get hot for 3 games, definitely not 4.

    Stats anyone?
     
  20. torocan

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    There's more to the D'Antoni's offense than simple pick and roll off a high pick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK5yjAos7vI

    Take a look at this video, once you get past the first 3 or 4 examples, you start to see more of D'Antoni's unconventional offensive sets, including strong side loading, screen/rescreens, screen/pitch/hand offs, as well as plays designed to open cutters and create deep post position.

    There's more to D'Antoni's offense than setting a pick at the top of the key.

    As for Popovich, he's the best HC in the NBA. His offensive system is masterfully tailored to his rosters. Saying D'Antoni isn't as good offensively as Popovich applies to 28 other Head Coaches as well.

    Popvich is arguably one of the top 10 best NBA coaches in history. Saying that D'Antoni doesn't measure up is hardly a knock against the guy.

    Either way, whether you look at D'Antoni or Popovich, they both make our offense look like a poorly drawn etch-a-sketch.
     

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