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[California] We are screwed

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RocketManJosh, Feb 13, 2009.

  1. RocketManJosh

    RocketManJosh Contributing Member

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    Here is the "solution" to all our problems :rolleyes:
    http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/feb/12/ca-state-budget-glance-021209/?zIndex=52319

    This country is beginning to follow the path blazed by CA so just take a look into your future when the money finally runs out.

    1) So now I am going to be paying $250 each year for registration for a freaking Honda Civic.
    2) Our already sky high gas prices are going to be even higher.
    3) Our already high income taxes are going even higher.
    4) We will all be paying 1% more for everything we purchase

    Is this really a solution when our economy is as bad as it is? Businesses are falling like flies here in San Diego as the leading edge of the housing bust bankrupts the community. It's only going to get worse with this "budget."

    CA has diarrhea and Arnold and the spendocrats are giving us Ex-Lax to make us feel better.
     
  2. God's Son

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    the whole damn country will be like that

    seriously: what do americans expect when they have been living way beyond there means, not saving anything, and building an empire they cant afford?

    much higher taxes, decaying infrastructure and stagnant economy is the best case scenario really

    we reap what we saw
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    This sucks.

    Here are the cuts listed from the article -

    We are in a mess and there has to be something done about it. What do you propose? I certainly don't like a lot of these cuts. Were cutting off medical aid to the poor, laying off teachers, not being able to buy textbooks for the students, cutting money to higher education, cutting out in home service programs for seniors, etc.

    People can complain about it, and maybe they should, but there still has to be a way close the budget gap. That means some things that aren't pleasant are going to have to happen, and people are actually going to have to sacrifice, not just talk about it, and expect others to sacrifice.

    So if we don't do the things mentioned in that proposal, where will we make up the budget gap?
     
  4. RocketManJosh

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    We are already the most taxed in the country and we have the biggest budget problems. How does every other state do so much better?

    If CA would quit paying for things like education and other benefits for illegal immigrants they would have more money.

    If CA didn't spend all their money on wasteful environmental roadblocks they would have more money.

    If CA would tap the great resources off its coast they would have much more money.

    Liberal, socialist ideas are what got CA into the mess, and apparently they think liberal socialist ideas are going to get us out of it.
     
  5. studogg

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    legalize it

    yeah, yeah


    tax and advertise it
     
  6. lalala902102001

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    Here is your solution: move to Texas.
     
  7. RocketManJosh

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    Unfortunately, your solutions is and has been the solution for a lot of businesses here, which is why we are in the mess and why its going to get worse.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    CA got into the mess because they budgeted for property taxes that were due. But with the high numbers of foreclosures and lower property values, the taxes expected didn't come in. It wasn't really the socialist policies that got into the mess, or at least not wholly.

    What environmental roadblocks are you talking about? The ones that have so greatly reduced the smog problem in places like Los Angeles?

    I think CA has a history of massive environmental damage from previous offshore drilling, as well as the smog problem mentioned before.

    As far as illegal immigrants receiving an education, I don't know how big of a problem that is. I've students who were from homes of illegal immigrants taken from my classroom.

    In general I would rather spend the money on educating people now than prisons, more court trials, medical costs later, because they weren't able to get jobs. That money gets spent one way or the other.

    As far as other services being provided... You would rather let a human being die so we can save on emergency room treatment so that you don't have to pay $250 to register your car? It's a bummer to have to pay that money, but I would be more than happy to do it rather than risk a person's life no matter if they are legal or not.
     
  9. Rashmon

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    I hear the weather is nice.
     
  10. rhadamanthus

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    They did kill a LNG vaporization plant which (in theory) could have resulted in much cheaper natural gas.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20070313-9999-1b13lng.html

    Not that I am complaining.
     
  11. RocketManJosh

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    I'm not going to argue much with you because we obviously have major philosophical differences and I can accept that.

    However, this last point is a big one for me. If you'll go to an emergency room now, you'll see the majority of illegal immigrants that are going there are not going there for life threatening situations (and yes in life threating situations of course you have to be treated because they can't take the time to verify your legality status in those situations). They are going there for their strep throat, their cold, and many other ailments because they know that they have to be treated there. Besides that in some life threating situations, illegals are given dialysis in hospitals to save their life knowing they are illegal, and then instead of kicking them out of the country they go on their merry way and come back for another round of dialysis when needed. No we should not pay for that.

    But no, I have no sympathy for people who are here illegally, and my tax dollars should not be used to fund anything other than removing them from this country. I HATE the fact that we have watering stations out in the desert here in So Cal so that the illegals will not die of heat stroke. We should do NOTHING that makes it easier for them to rob from me, my family, and my country.

    Don't get me wrong ... I don't blame the individuals in this situation, I blame the govt for not doing their job.
     
  12. Rocket River

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    Don't u mean Spendublicans? Since that is Arnold's party

    Rocket River
     
  13. okierock

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    Republicans don't spend any more than Democrats they just tax less. It's a problem I know.
     
  14. RocketManJosh

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    ummm .... yeah that is why I will NEVER say that Arnold is actually a republican and if you listen to any conservative talk radio in CA, you would know that he is really loathed amongst republicans in this state.

    Arnold caved to the demands of the large majority, which is the spendocrats.
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    You know those illegals also pay sales taxes into your tax base, many pay payroll taxes that they will never collect on, and provide the low cost labor to allow CA's agricultural and construction industries to flourish. You might complain about what they are costing you but without all of the labor that illegals have been putting into CA practically since its been a state CA wouldn't have been as great as it is.
     
  16. Dairy Ashford

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    That already happens up here in Nebraska: when I bought my car I couldn't lump the sales tax into my financing and purchase price; I had to pay it to the County so I could get plated. Add my $450 or so annual "wheel tax" and I was dropping $1,750 for my $16,000 used DTS. Granted, we've only got 2 million people; and they're all farmers, so I guess we need to create a tax base some how. And apparently it pays for all the snowplows, so we probably can't complain.

    Calfiornia's just a tragedy, though. To have the 7th or 8th largest economy in the world and not be able to balance the budget; my sympathies.
     
  17. Refman

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    This is where the problem lies...

    While I would tend to agree with you re: illegal immigrants, I just can't. Here's why...

    We are complicit in them being here. If you eat in a restaurant, you are complicit. If you eat produce, you are complicit. If you go to a car wash, you are complicit.

    They come here not because they want to leave their homes. They come here because they are trying to escape abject poverty. If you hammer hard the businesses that employ them, you can end the demand for the cheap labor.

    As long as we are complicit in them being here, we should expect that they will require basic services.
     
  18. Rashmon

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    Knowing that you believe this way, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    yeah, it's strange. CA is required by law to balance the budget. There are some slight technicalities that allow certain latitude with that, but basically the budget has to be balanced in CA.

    Sadly CA has the highest foreclosure rate in the nation. The budget was set based on property taxes that were due. It isn't like CA went and spent money on programs they weren't going to be able to pay for.

    They had the money to pay for everything owed to them. But once the foreclosures came in, and property values dropped so drastically here, the income fell far short of where it was supposed to be.
     
  20. RocketManJosh

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    I think you should go campaign for us to build a series of platforms in the water between Cuba and Florida ... That way people can easily swim across without having to worry about drowning from the crappy boats they try to use.
     

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