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California To will sue Trump over Federalizing The State's National Guard

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jun 9, 2025 at 8:36 AM.

  1. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    Nobody in their right minds will give two shiit about your opinion and your concerns. You lefties are whacked and delusional. You will always find something else to biitch about.
     
  2. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    That’s a nice textbook take down. Perfectly executed. My man’s been training?
     
  3. DaDakota

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    That is true - and I don't like that they are deporting willy nilly, but I am not going to complain about them removing ILLEGAL aliens......my issue is that those people get DUE PROCESS as afforded under the constitution.

    I could argue all day about how bad of an idea it actually is, because it hurts our economy and way of life, but that is like trying to explain Geometry to a pebble, it requires a steady head and complex thinking while most on the right are emotional and black and white, they even vote against their own interests because they fail to grasp complex matters.

    And let's not kid ourselves MOST of these people are not being deported, they are going to PRIVATIZED prisons where our tax dollars pay the owners $165 a day per person - so they are just held there for profit.

    This is Trump giving his corporate buddies a reach around....

    Always follow the money with Trump.

    DD
     
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    Looks like the Rams found themselves a middle linebacker.
     
  5. HTM

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    You can play this word salad game all you want.

    Entering this country illegally is against the law. That's true in every developed country and every developed country detains and deports people for violating their immigration laws.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

    To pretend law enforcement officers enforcing our immigration laws are the bad guys is preposterous and you have no argument.
     
  6. HTM

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    If only everyone was as intelligent, profound and capable of nuance as you DD.

    Enforcing our laws costs a lot of money DD. Due process ain't cheap - it involves lawyers, appeals, support staff, judges, information systems, law enforcement officers, court/civil facilities + due process takes time so you have to pay for the food, shelter, healthcare etc etc for the detainee while they receive their due process - are you fussed about the cost of all that or just detainment and removal?

    Maybe place some blame on the people violating our laws and less blame on the people trying enforce them?

    But I guess that's too much to ask.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    They are not LEO, they are consultants and they are NOT following the due process, of getting a judge to sign off on deportation, then being arrested and taken before that judge for final ruling.

    No one is protesting that arresting illegals is wrong, they are protesting the LACK of DUE PROCESS as is in the constitution.

    DD
     
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  8. DaDakota

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    All of that being said, it is a CONSTITUTIONAL right, you can't avoid due process that in of itself is BREAKING THE LAW, making ICE criminals themselves.

    And we are already paying for everything by paying PRIVATE jails $165 a day to house people for MONTHS.....

    You can't shortcut it, everyone has to follow the laws or no one does.

    Right now, ICE are doing illegal things.....and are criminals themselves as long as they are doing that.

    Law and order matters for everyone, or no one....there is no middle ground.

    DD
     
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  9. HTM

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    How is ICE not following the law?
     
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    They threw him on the ground and apparently arrested him.
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    There are NO SIGNED DEPORTATION orders from a judge.

    There are NOT taken before a judge that has signed those orders to answer those charges.

    They are DENIED access to a lawyer.

    ICE is breaking the law left and right, they are not working within the proper process of deportation order, warrant, hearing......they are ignoring the law.

    And thus are criminals themselves.

    Due process is in the constitution for ANYONE on our soil...ANYONE....

    DD
     
  13. DaDakota

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    All of the people that manhandled him should face charges, he has every right to be in that room asking questions. MORE law breaking by ICE...right here.

    This is why we need to overwhelm them with bodies and people......they can't get to everyone.....

    DD
     
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    They are chipping away at the laws and constitution....a little here, a little there and pretty soon were detaining anyone who opposes what we say
     
  15. No Worries

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    I can not even begin to imagine if a Democrat DHS did the same thing thing to a sitting R Senator what Fox News would report ...


    Sen. Alex Padilla is forcibly removed from DHS Secretary Kristi Noem's news conference in Los Angeles

    Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Calif., was forcibly removed from a news conference in Los Angeles on Thursday and briefly detained after trying to question Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.

    "I am Sen. Alex Padilla. I have questions for the secretary," Padilla said to Noem, which prompted several men to physically push him out of the room. It was unclear who the men were as several were dressed in plainclothes.

    Padilla's office shared a video of the incident with NBC News. The video shows Padilla being taken into a hallway outside and pushed face forward onto the ground as officers with FBI-identifying vests told the senator to put his hands behind his back. The officers then handcuffed him.

    Padilla's office said in a statement that Padilla was in L.A. to perform congressional oversight of the government's operations in the city and across his state. The statement said that the senator is no longer detained.

    "He was in the federal building to receive a briefing with [Air Force] General [Gregory] Guillot and was listening to Secretary Noem’s press conference," his office said. "He tried to ask the Secretary a question, and was forcibly removed by federal agents, forced to the ground and handcuffed. He is not currently detained, and we are working to get additional information.”
     
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    A fat that should not be lost on anyone is that Sen. Alex Padilla is Hispanic and a handful of white federal? officers man handled him, threw him to the ground and handcuffed him.

    This is such bad theatrics. D political operatives are now making their 2026 campaign ads, targeting Hispanic voters. If there was any doubt how the Trump Admin actually feels toward Hispanics ...
     
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    Judge issues a temporary ruling against Trump 2.0 using the National Guard in LA


    The order requires Trump to return control of the National Guard to California Gov. Gavin Newsom by noon Friday (Pacific Time).

    In a hearing Thursday, District Judge Charles Breyer rejected an argument by the administration's lawyer that the courts do not have authority to review a president's decision on whether the National Guard is needed.

    "That's the difference between a constitutional government and King George. It's not that the leader can simply say something and then it becomes it," the judge said.






    U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer said that the unrest in Los Angeles falls “far short of ‘rebellion.'”

    “While Defendants have pointed to several instances of violence, they have not identified a violent, armed, organized,
    open and avowed uprising against the government as a whole,” he wrote. “The definition of rebellion is unmet.”​
     
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    From my experience this looks like the standard posture when you are in “Hurry up and wait” mode. Very common even in a legitimate operation.
     
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    Anita Chabria/Los Angeles Times:

    First they came for the immigrants. Then they took down our Latino senator

    Sen. Adam Schiff, our other California senator, came to his colleague’s defense, demanding an investigation.

    “Anyone who looks at it — anyone — anyone who looks at this, it will turn your stomach,” he said. “To look at this video and see what happened reeks — reeks — of totalitarianism. This is not what democracies do.”

    Political pundit Mike Madrid pointed out how personal this issue of immigration is to Padilla.

    Padilla is the son of Mexican immigrants, Santos and Lupe Padilla. He went into politics in 1995 because of the anti-immigrant Proposition 187, the California measure that knocked all undocumented people off of many public services, including schools. He’s been a champion of immigrant communities ever since.

    “Hard to describe how angered and passionate Senator Alex Padilla is — I’ve known him for 25 years and never seen anything like this,” Madrid wrote online. “He’s a living example of how Latinos feel right now.”
     
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    The FBI agents actually broke federal laws by laying hands on a sitting US Senator ... Not holding my breath that Trump's DoJ will pursue upholding the law or the Constitution FTM.


     

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