...exactly what I expected and predicted, no? So based on this logic, the only politicians who can ever be held responsible for economic negativity are liberals, as conservatives can always say that thet were just sacrificing to appease the other side. Hillarious, literally. Goose bad, gander good.
What a load. The debt is more like 7 trillion for starters. Reagan and Bush are the ones responsible for the explosion of the debt, not the nasty big money spending liberals. Notice that cool little spike at the end, that's your buddy right there appeasing liberals... err.
Really? Are you an attorney? Did you read the decision? Did you engage in a due process or equal protection analysis? What part was specious? Was it ther irreperable harm analysis or the success on the merits analysis that was specious? Have you analyzed the length of time it wil take to install new machines? Or are you just repeating what you just heard Rush say, or what you think he will say? Your reaction to almost every single post on this board in the past 72 hours has been so knee-jerk, right wing, it's comical. I almost think that you are a liberal in disguise who is portraying a caricature of a republican in order to act as a pinata. BS, facts get you further than sloganeering and rhetoric. Think. I know you can. I've seen you have thoughtful posts in the last few days.
Great, This is a prime example of why we need tort reform. Bogging down our court system with innane garbage like this. DD
All the punch card counties are already set to replace their machines by the March primaries, so there is no need to add motivation. The motivation is already there (by way of previous court order).
MacBeth, I agree with you on placing blame (or giving credit) on the current elected leader. My problem with Davis, as a Californain, is his treatment of small business. He has raised taxes on small business, has allowed workers comp become a complete joke, and he has let the labor unions dictate legislature through their large campaign donations. It is becomming more difficult for companies to survive let alone make a profit.
if the punch cards are a problem than can we really be sure Davis is a duly elected official? and if not, shouldn't he be removed for that? in fact...every elected official in California should be forced to stand for election at the next election day because the results may have been wrong with those pesky punch cards.
For the recall election, let's just put all Californians in a big field and have a show of hands, OK? That'll get rid of any election shenanigans!
Lost in all of our bickering is the fact that the governorship of California is about as desirable a job as cleaning outhouses. The next California governor is going to have eithe implemet massive spending cuts or tax hikes, both of which will be hysterically unpopular. That's why Arnold is operating under the big fat lie that he can do neither and balance the budget. The problem lies with the voters of California, they regularly vote for referendums that call for expensive government programs (e.g., the big education initiative from last year...which Arnold championed) and vote for referendums that cut or cap taxes at the same time......California voters want to have their cake and eat it too. Sure, they have a right to be mad at Davis, apparently he's a jerk. But they're the jerks who elected him, and they're the ones who govern by referendum, they're the ones that vote for expensive government programs, but vote for tax cuts as well. I say let them eat cake.
I say amen to that. They've found themselves in a minefield, now it is their responsibility to get their butts out.
my thought exactly...that's why the californians inserted the recall provision in their constitution years ago.
SamF, I did and will continue to vote for continuing the education of Californians. California is near the bottom when it comes to education so I have no problem spending more taxes when it comes time for children. There were no referendums however on labor unions taking over the state and there were also no referendums regarding workers comp. These items were done by Davis and the legislators not by the voters.
That's good that you support education. So do I. I don't know anything about labor unions taking over the state, or WC costs, but I doubt that either or both impacted the revenue base like the following initiatives Or the fact that California's tax structure is notoriously lopsided. The richest state in the country believes that its poorest citizens should pay a greater % of taxes than its richest ones: (source: California Budget Project)
SF, those are from quite a while ago. They probably limited revenue, but from what I have read, Gray had plenty of time to make the necessary adjustments.
In what was the last of about a dozen legal challenges to the attempt to unseat Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, the three-judge panel said it was not acceptable that six counties would be using punch-card ballots, the type that sparked the “hanging chads” litigation in Florida during the 2000 presidential election. The judges agreed with the American Civil Liberties Union that the voting machines were prone to error and that Davis’ fate could be decided later. By that time, the counties have promised to replace their punch-card machines under a court order in separate litigation. Were these machines not a problem in the 2002 election?
So what? Should Californians be any less culpable for the current crisis ? I also see the California voters limiting the ability of their school districts to levy taxes in 1996. Yet in 2002, they vote for expensive new school spending bills. California voters have had years to realize this too. They're the ones that are into governing by referendum. Why don't they take responsibility? Simple, they believe dire straits: Money for nothing, chicks for free
