California health care exchange prices substantially lower than today's prices

All well and good. Do agree. All that R&D cost isnt cheap on anyone.

But health and care of it isnt necessarily an "IF you have money" thing.

(Or thats what the argument will be) Nothing there that hasnt been said before, but thats the core part of the discussion and why its always gonna be contentious.

 

are you saying countries that have a single payer health care system are communist?

 

List of nations with single payer health care system
Norway
Japan
UK
Kuwait
Sweden
Canada
Finland
Spain
Iceland


damn commies.

 

Would love to see how diverse the populations of those countries are ethnically v. US.

 

Are you implying our current free market system works?


BTW my post was about ATW telling me that countries with government run health care are communist.

 

Not at all.

We're all being bent over here and that's because the real reasons are politicized into variously accepted POVs.

 

That is not what I was telling you. Your reading comprehension is terrible.

 

or maybe you just do not understand what you are typing.

I responded to an image that relates health care costs of certain procedures in the U.S with nations that use a single payer system or some sort of health mandate with heavy government regulation. Obviously, the U.S. was not favorable in the comparison. I sarcastically replied "FREE MARKET FOR THE WIN". Obviously the free market health care system that has been in place in the U.S. is not working.

You responded with "Are you saying that the countries the USA are being compared to are communist?"

So the only thing anyone would imply from your remark is that nations that use single payer systems or in other words nations that do not have a free market when it comes to health care are communist.

 

My goodness, you are dumb.

 

my goodness, you throw out all these accusations of my below average intelligence level yet you cannot dissect at what point where I made a error in my logic.

Let me guess you will respond along the lines of "You are too dumb to waste time to explain."

 

That is correct. Pharma companies set their prices based on....market demands and local regs.

They make lots of money charging $6 for lipitor, but why not charge hundreds if you can get away with it because there's not much competition?

Cancer drugs cost $10k/mo for example. They are ridiculously profitable even considering the R&D cost.

 

You were saying "free market" is the reason for the higher US healthcare cost. All the countries the US are being compared to have free market economies as well. Therefore, your comment was nonsensical. The healthcare systems are different, but it's not like these countries don't have free markets.

 

I assumed you would be intelligent enough to understand that I was only referring to the health care system when typing "FREE MARKET FTW!".

 

What do you know about the health care systems of the countries mentioned in the infographic?

 

this is so corrupt and depressing, the game just feels rigged, the way they play around with out tax dollars to perpetuate their own power

How does the right stand a chance when the other side has a perpetual stream of tax dollars funding their side?

 

oops link

http://news.investors.com/print/ibd...d-left-wing-groups-with-taxpayer-dollars.aspx

 

This does seem a ridiculous and unethical way to do outreach.

You don't think the right uses taxpayer dollars to benefit their side?

 

On a side note, I don't see a problem with any of this - this is a GOOD thing. One big problem with social services in this country is that many of the people who need it and benefit from it simply don't get enrolled. Any outreach in that regard is a positive and benefits the state by getting people off the street, etc. The problem is not the what, but the who - private organizations are welcome to do that stuff, but should be doing it on their own. Government outreach should be done through government agencies - although I guess this is one of conservatives' favorite concepts: privatizing government.

 

You may think the healthcare system is not working well, but perhaps you're not asking the right questions. For the people who make decisions in the industry, the US healthcare system is working amazingly well. For example, AHIP and whichever political candidates/leaders they're funding at any given time are ecstatic. Anyone on this board who sells health insurance is ecstatic - now you have an expensive system, with more mandatory participation. Someone like Karen Ignagni, for example, is having a more stellar career than she ever dreamed lobbying against you, while also previously (and certainly in the future) being elected to represent your interests.

You guys? Well, you guys just choose red or blue, and someone else will take good care of the rest.

 

You don't know what you are talking about.