California Colleges Mull Return of Affirmative Action

Oh boy the racist finds an easier prey and doesn't answer the real questions.

Smart man.

 

Nonsense. I'd be the first person talking about it. All of this whining just ignores the main cause of this issue in the first place which is the uneven quality of primary and secondary education. Fix that and there'll be no need for AA in education. AA is an imperfect solution to a deeper problem. If you don't want to address the deeper issue then stop whining about being forced to compete with your peers. Disadvantaged minorities would rather have a quality education system available to them so they can compete on a level field than have people like you question the merit of their achievements.

 

Good, go build better high schools in the hood with taxpayer's money then.

 

I think this is the key point. AA is a very imperfect solution and I think race based AA is no longer viable but there are still huge regional economic disparities that directly affect the quality of an education people are getting. This is tied to race but not always for example poor whites from rural areas are also suffering from poor schools. This is why I am for things like a 10% solution that focus more on evening out regional disparities.

 

How does a diverse student population contribute to majors such as business (accounting/finance), engineering, computer science, or sciences (biology/chemistry/etc...)?

 

please check the studies that I posted on this page. It leads to better cognitive thinking, problem solving, and leadership among other ways.

It's what the studies say.

 

A diverse population is very important to business majors. In a diverse and globalized economy you are going to deal with all sorts of people from different backgrounds. If you don't have the experience of dealing with people from different backgrounds that is going to handicap your business opportunities.

 

OK, let's answer the real question - why is ethnic diversity more desirable than" stupid diversity"

Ethinic diversity (unless you're the kind of guy who believes certain ethnicities are too dumb to learn) is compatible with the academic mission of the university of providing "higher' learning.

Stupid diversity (accepting learning disabled students e.g.) is not as compatible witht he academic mission. Look no further than the atrocious example of Division I athletes in revenue-producing sports.

That was hardly a difficult answer - in fact it's embarrassingly simple. Did the OP not realize this himself? I don't know. Smart man!

 

Are you sure you're interpreting the findings correctly? I read some of the links you posted. In those studies, diversity led to better cognitive thinking, problem solving, and leadership b/c the studies looked at classes that had student dialogue and complex classroom discussion. In those cases, it's not surprising that a variety of cultures would contribute to the overall quality of the class.

So my question to you is, how does increased diversity contribute to majors that don't rely on classroom discussions or student dialogue?

 

If you don't need discussion or dialogue - why are you even bothering with a university-level class at all?

If you're telling me that everything people learn about business can be learned in isolation, than why should state-supported institutions even bohter to teach it- just put the course materials online and let people teach themselves.

 

You are looking foolish.

I expect better.... so should you.

 

So now you're narrowing the field even more. The history of science and mathematics show that diversity actually does matter. While science and math follow an ordered logical system that doesn't mean that those who engage in that system all think alike. In fact group often cause problems in science. Consider that if math were only just left to Classical Greeks who developed and pioneered math and physics as we know it it would've been severely limited because there would've never been a zero. Classical Greek thought couldn't grasp the concept of nothingness while Vedic thought from ancient India did and so they developed the concept of a zero that eventually got transferred and incorporated into Western mathematics.

 

I did accounting, and that's pretty much what happened.

I would guess that the same can be said for most technical majors. Even if there is student dialogue, its purpose is to solve a problem. The students' cultural upbringing wouldn't come into play.

 

How am I narrowing anything at all?

 

Oh boy, I advocated stupid diveristy?

I don't dont advocate stupid diversity, but I also don't agree with the idea that a black A- student, all else equal, is automatically more qualified and would contribute more to the college than his A- Asian and white counter parts, regardless of which rich, poor or middl class shool district this black student hailed from.

You want AA? Do it based on income.

Or better yet, build better shool systems in poor areas. That'll be long term, but I guess some kids just want their cake now.

 

10% is largely a proxy for race. Are there poor whites? Of course. As a percentage however there are a heck of a lot more poor minorities than whites. We have AA because of the lack of opportunities afforded minorities due to race. The reasons behind AA are important so this whitewashing of the reasons for AA in some attempt to strip race from the process is unacceptable. Until we decide to fix the lower levels of education, perhaps AA can be fine tuned. Maybe giving a certain weight to any student, regardless of race, that comes from an under performing school as opposed to a student that comes from an exemplary school. It can be tightened up but of course the real solution isn't that but rather fixing the quality of lower level education.

 

You do not have to meet the qualifications with the 10% rule.

 

You don't learn any of that stuff in college. In some business classes, you go over basic stuff like when meeting with people from other countries, it's smart to familiarize yourself with their customs because they will be slightly different.

In some countries, they get down to business right away generally in meetings. In some other countries, they will socialize for the first 10 or 15 minutes of a meeting.

Stuff like that.

But there is no mingling with students of other cultures because it makes you a better student. There are no discussions. I mean, what are you going to be discussing where race, ethnicity, etc. come into play?

The whole diversity improves your education thing is a bunch of crap.

Plus, when you get a job out of college, they will teach you everything you need to know. If you are travelling on a business trip where customs and culture are important, you will be told about the proper way to conduct yourself.

Even IF you went to a diverse college... how is a white guy studying accounting with a black guy going to prepare him for a business trip to Venezuela? It just makes no sense.

 

I think you are on to something.

Honestly, I think we should look at measurable results. We need to see how well college graduates do AFTER college to see how well the college education is being utilized. With that in mind, it has been noted that there are few Asians that are in executive positions or running larger companies. As a result, it is obvious that Asians are failing to learn lessons in college beyond simple grades.

Therefore, the percentage of Asian students accepted should be restricted. The number of white students should increase, as obviously they are learning the material and having success in the real world.