This crap about we're the Rose Bowl we can do what we want needs to stop, and stop now. If the Rose Bowl can't grow up and get with the real world, then strip their arrogant ass** of a BCS game. They don't rule the world, believe it or not. And for Kirk and Lee to go on national cable TV and say the Rose will just boycott the game if Texas gets the nod is just crap. Just like Fowler mentioning Kansas but not Oregon. Derrock, I think both teams are worthy too, but Texas has been screwed unfairly because of Oklahoma in recent years, and it just won't stop until that game reverses yourself. I'm sick of it, really sick of it. Even the Austin paper's sports columnist, Kirk Bohls, won't put UT at number 4. 5 out of 6 Texas area voters have UT 6th, for christ sakes. You mention the Oklahoma game like Texas just got rolled. They did not, dammit. That game was 6-0 until the 4th quarter. No other team came even close to stopping Oklahoma's offense as well as Texas did that day. God dammit, I'm sick and tired of having this senseless debate when it's clear cut UT is one of the 8 best teams in America. And for you Cal fans who say the Rose Bowl is a Pac 10-Big 10 game, let's keep it that way if we can, sorry, but that should not factor into the decision. Like I said, if that's the way we we will use the BCS, I am ashamed to be a fan of college football at the division-1 level. Again, I think both teams are worthy, but there is no clear cut way to say who is better right now. But, i'll tell you this much, the Rose Bowl and it's reps need to come down from their high horse and realize a Texas-Michigan game has great appeal as well and if it happens, life goes on. And finally, i'm sick of the "They're big, bad, Texas" and "we're little, insignificant Cal" so we should go over those big bad Texans argument. It's stupid, tired, and annoying as hell. Just like the Rose Bowl's attitude to teams not from the Big 10 or Pac 10.
Actually, I clicked the "reply" icon when I meant to click the "edit" icon. That caused a mess and then I had no idea what to put in place. Damn little icons I'm not trying to piss off any Longhorns out there (and I know there's a lot more in this forum than Bears). But doesn't this year's Rose Bowl mean that Texas had a good, but not great season. I mean, Texas has been so successful recently that most of its fans expect a New Year's bowl if not the National Championship. On the other side, you have CAL, who finished 1-9 three years ago (thank goodness for Rutgers). CAL is really the LA Clippers of collegiate football. CAL's facilities are so bad that our god-send coach, Jeff Tedford, has a clause to terminate his contract if those facilities aren't improved (and $14 million would certainly help). So forgive me and other CAL fans for being a little selfish, because this doesn't happen often and we don't know when it will happen again.
DVauthrin, I'm not saying that's the way it should be. But when you have two teams with equally compelling arguments on why they deserve to go, the voters might swayed by the fact that it is the Rose Bowl. Honestly, I'd rather see CAL vs. Texas/Utah than vs. Michigan. peleincubus, if CAL had Mack Brown, he'd probably have the stadium renamed after him already.
Look, I empathize with you, really I do. But, we went through this crap last year after OU gave K-State(a team UT had beaten, btw) the BCS nod. Now, it feels like deja vu, all over again, even though we played OU pretty damn well compared to other teams. Especially when you realize Aggieland and Stillwater were the sites of their other close games, and Texas plays them at a neutral field(which is huge and everyone knows it). I mean, all I ask is that you judge my team fairly, and to be honest, the voters have a lovefest with knocking UT as far down as they can if they lose to OU at this point. No other team gets as unfairly treated based upon one game(against a national championship caliber opponent) as the Texas Longhorns. I mean, I'm beyond frustrated at this point. I've said I think Cal deserves a bid. It's PITT, Michigan, Virginia Tech that anger me. And tonight, Kirk and Lee took it upon themselves to suggest that the Rose Bowl could boycott the game if Texas is selected preventing the Big 10-Pac 10 matchup. Do you understand how upset that makes me? This on the heels of a quote by Rose Bowl officials before the Lone Star Showdown. "We want Texas to win (over A&M) by a point," said Rose Bowl executive director Mitch Dorger. I'm so sick and tired of BCS tie ins and the way bowls choose who they invite, etc. Last year Texas played on December 29th in the Holiday Bowl because the Cotton didn't want UT back to back years. And now we have the Rose Bowl sticking it's input where it doesn't belong? This system needs to die. I hope Auburn protests so much at that point, that they have to immediately kill the BCS and create a college football playoff of some kind, but it probably won't happen. Heck, if UT or Cal gets shunned(esp UT), I would like them to do the same thing. Anything that gets out of these idiotic bowl-tie in's and the BCS is fine by me. I know the system is driven by money, but at some point you would have to think that university presidents would be tired of having their champion of the BCS ridiculed every year and defending the worst system for choosing a winner in any major sport.
What we need to do here is separate the wishful thinking from the reality. Look, UT and Cal both won their last game by almost identical scores against very comparable opponents. UT's game was at home, Cal's was on the road. Cal going to the Rose Bowl would be a great story, given their location in California, their excellent academics, their underdog image, etc. Cal very nearly defeated the #1 team in the country -- on their turf. Texas got manhandled by the #2 team in the country -- on neutral turf. Oh yeah, Cal beat USC last year and Texas hasn't even come close to beating OU in 5 years. It's no wonder why such a large majority of voters pick Cal over Texas. You have to cast your sympathies aside here and recognize this.
I don't know what all the fuss is about. UT blew their chance at a national championship in Dallas again, Cal did the same in Los Angeles. The rest doesn't matter much. I'd like to see Texas in it, and I think Cal looked very mediocre yesterday after an otherwise fine season. But in all honesty both teams have a close to equal case. But again, they both failed their big tests that would have put them in the NT picture, so who really cares? UT needs to take care of their own business, beating OU, before worrier about awards or bowls or anything else. There is no excuse for the flagship university in Texas losing to a college in a small bordering state. Until that is addressed nothing else matters in terms of UT football. Even as a UT alum, I feel a lot worse for Auburn--whose kids did everything in their power to play for a NC (you could even thrown in Utah, who went untested and undefeated--including bombing the Aggies far worse than anyone in the Big 12 managed to do--including UT and OU), than for the UT players even if they have to settle for another trip to Dallas on Jan 1. BTW Cal barely leapfrogged of Utah in the Sagarin ratings, the only computer poll released yet. That means more points for UT to make up elsewhere. I think Cal goes bowling for Roses, barely.
Ha ha ha. Our native comedian strikes again!!!! I can't argue that Cal isn't deserving of the BCS. Not at all. If Texas doesn't go, it is because they lost to OU again, and the only way UT can guarantee it goes to a BCS game is to win all of its games. But let's look at the "facts." While Cal played USC extremely tough, they only beat ONE TEAM with a record better than 6-5, a highly overrated (in my opinion) Arizona St. team. This includes such JUGGERNAUTS as Washington (1-10), Zona (3-8), and Stanford (4-7.) Texas? Texas beat FIVE teams with records of 7-5 or better, including ranked Texas Tech, OSU and Texas A&M. Both non-conference schedules were pretty comparable, if you ask me, but that's not a point of separation. I'm not going to get into the fact that Arkansas was a much healthier team in September, or a rival that hates our guts. I might mention, though, that Arkansas at 5-6 is misleading because they had 5 losses to top 25 teams. But hey, that is still their record, so they are a 5-6 team. I don't want to be one of those people who says the score for UT-A&M should've been this or that, because the "what if" game never ends in that case. But in watching that game, and watching the Cal game last night, I feel like UT dominated its game over a superior opponent much moreso than Cal did with its game. I totally understand that Cal played on the road- that does make it tough. But who, then did Cal beat on the road? Anyone? Anyone? (Crickets chirping....) Texas, at the least, did handle Arkansas, Colorado, Texas Tech and Colorado. Amazing? Nah. But solid. Finally, going back to those big wins- Cal won 27-0 over Arizona st. at home. Very impressive. But still, only one win over a quality team. Texas? The five teams they beat that were 7-5 or better they outscored by a COMBINED 229-76!! That includes a romp of North Texas (no worse than a game vs. Southern Miss, though at home for UT), a 30 pt. road win over Tech, and over 20 pt. wins vs. Oklahoma St. and Colorado. So if you want to go into schedule analysis, there you go. If you want to go into academics analysis, you may have me there, but otherwise... YOUR POINTS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO THE WOODSHED!!!!
I think the Big 12 South is vastly overrated. OU is very good, UT is good, and Tech, A&M and OSU are slightly above mediocre. I think they look better than they are because the Big12 North is so pitiful and gave them easy wins. Nebraska, a team with a chance to win the North until the last game, lost at home to the Southern Miss team the previous poster disses. CU got some wins nonconference that helped their computer ratings, but they were generally statistically dominated and won those games based on luck more so than reflected good play. Now lets look more at some Big 12 South teams. Texas barely beat Arkansas, at team that got MANHANDLED by the SEC South's elite (LSU, Auburn). A&M got obliterated by a mid-major team. If fact Utah took the Aggies apart far more than either OU or Texas did. In sum I think some years the Big 12 is underrated, but not this year. I expect them to not fair well during Bowl season, especially at the top. I expect at least 2 of their 3 top teams to lose assuming the probably match-ups of OU versus USC in the Orange, Texas versus LSU in the Cotton, and A&M versus ASU in the Holiday, just like last year when the conference took a pounding. To me Cal and Texas is coin flip and neither side can have much of a beef with the other.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/football/ncaa/12/05/top25.ap/index.html Cal loses votes, Texas gains support in AP poll Cal - 1,399 votes Texas - 1,337 votes
Texas only five points behind Cal in the Coaches Poll as well. Cal 1286 Texas 1281 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankings
Wow....I wonder if this will be enough to bump them up? It sounds like the ground was made up if the computer rankings didn't change, but I heard at least one computer ranking gave a slight bump to Cal. WOW, this is going to be close! I can't wait for 4:00 and the announcement!
It seems that way. It was believed that Texas only needed 7 voters to change their mind to move ahead of Cal.
So the BCS takes into account the vote totals, not just the ranking? This is going to be very close....
