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Bye Bye Qualls, Burke; Hello Valverde

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Major, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. LonghornFan

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    So, who exactly is in our pen now besides Valverde, Brocail and Oscar Villarreal?
     
  2. NJRocket

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    im sure Trevor Miller and Borkoski will be in the pen.

    i LOVE this deal....and i think Wade is doing a great job of trying to right the ship.

    Wouldnt surprise me to see us sign Prior to an incentive laden contract....we are going to have to go the FA route since we dont have much left to trade.

    Well done Astros!!!!!!
     
  3. NJRocket

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    not significantly better? he was the MAJOR LEAGUE LEADER in saves!!!!!
     
  4. Roxfan73

    Roxfan73 Rookie

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    Yea, I really wanted Kiko Calero for that role. Too bad Oakland re-signed him a day after he was non tendered. He ****ing owned us in the '04 NLCS.
     
  5. NJRocket

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    exactly.

    Wade has basically turned a bunch of dead weight (other than perhaps Patton) and turned them into solid pieces of a contender.

    ANd guess what.....im thining he aint done yet!
     
  6. NJRocket

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    in the meantime.....Zona is a BEAST in the starting pitching dept!!!!!!!!!
     
  7. Ottomaton

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    If you want I can come up with a list of frontline #2 or #3 starters who had have similar AAA numbers at 24. It wouldn't be a short list.

    He has been regarded for several years as one of the top 10 prospects on the Astros. This year he was ranked #4 by Baseball America, right behind Troy Patton and Felipe Paulino and ahead of Michael Bourne, who was such a big deal for the Astros to acquire. The year before he started in high-A and made it to AAA in one season. But, whatever. You know better from looking up some statistics on astros.com, right?

    Here is the scouting report from 2005 when he was ranked #8 in the organization. He came in at #5 last year, when he added a slider which was considered a plus pitch, BTW:

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    8. Juan Gutierrez

    Background:
    Gutierrez repeated both the Rookie-level Venezuelan Summer and Appalachian leagues, so the Astros had to protect him on the 40-man roster before he reached full-season ball. He accomplished that mission in 2005, even making it to high Class A in August.

    Strengths:
    Yet another Venezuelan power pitcher in the system, Gutierrez has a 90-96 mph fastball and a big-breaking, 77-78 mph curveball that he uses as his out pitch. He’ll even flash a plus changeup at times. His curveball was more consistent in 2005, and he showed much better control and feel than he had in Rookie ball. Strong and durable, he should be able to accumulate innings.

    Weaknesses:
    Gutierrez still needs to grasp the art of changing speeds. His changeup has its moments, but it’s a distant third pitch. His mechanics break down at times, costing him control and command. He needs to improve his conditioning and tone down his on-field antics.

    The Future:
    If Gutierrez continues to improve like he did in 2005, he could soar through the rest of the minors. The Astros will start him off back in high Class A in 2006.

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  8. Cannonball

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    I'm pretty sure Miller rejected arbitration and is now a free agent.
     
  9. htownbball

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    CF Bourn
    2B Matsui
    1B Berkman
    LF Lee
    SS Tejada
    RF Pence
    3B Wigginton
    C Towles

    C Ausmus
    INF Loretta
    INF Blum
    OF Ramirez
    OF Abercrombie

    SP Oswalt
    SP Backe
    SP Rodriguez
    SP Sampson
    SP Williams

    RP Nieve/Gervacio/Estrada/Reineke
    RP McLemore
    RP Brocail
    RP Villarreal
    RP Geary
    RP Borkowski
    CL Valverde

    So far that's what it's looking like
     
  10. htownbball

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    Remaining prospects

    C JR Towles
    RHP Felipe Paulino
    RHP Bud Norris
    RHP Chad Reineke
    OF Eli Iorg
    RHP Brad James
    LHP Brian Bogusevic
    RHP Sergio Perez
    C Max Sapp
    OF Jordan Parraz
    OF Mitch Einertson
    RHP Sam Gervacio
    RHP Jimmy Barthmaier
    OF Collin Delome
    OF Josh Flores
    RHP Ryan Thompson

    Not a whole lot of top level talent, and most of the guys here probably wont be much of anything in the majors, but the minors arent that bare. We do have a high draft pick, plus a supplemental 1st if Miller signs elsewhere, and a supplemental 3rd for failing to sign Deitrich
     
  11. NIKEstrad

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    Throw in Wesley Wright (Rule 5 draft lefty) and Ryan Houston (waiver pick up) into the bullpen mix. I would imagine Paulino may have a chance at a starter's gig, too.
     
  12. rezdawg

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    Damn, DBacks got Haren from the A's...that would have been sweet if we could have pulled a Haren deal.

    Im happy with Valverde though...I like him a lot.
     
  13. Plowman

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    Now we can check off the closer.

    We need a quality inning eater,a #2,and things could get interesting.I hope Backe is healthy.TJ surgery says it's about time.

    Nice deal as it appears we're committed to being more than competetive with another pitching move.

    I like what Wade is doing,but anything short now of finishing off the staff is not a good move by Uncle.He seems like he's set on doing it though.


    It appears we're making a run now....at a cost,but if we can actually get a legitimate window then rock on.

    I'll admit that I've given Drayton a hard time over the years,but again if we get the pitching...with all this balance in the lineup...!!??!
     
  14. DVauthrin

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    Valverde is on a different level than qualls because he has the ability to dominate opposing hitters with overpowering stuff.

    Qualls relies on a great sinker to induce grounders, but when it's off, he's off. Still a solid reliever though and will be missed.
     
  15. Zac D

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    At this point, it looks to me like it'll be one of those two and Cruz Jr.
     
  16. htownbball

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    totally forgot about jose cruz jr.

    paulino needs some seasoning at AAA

    i dont think wes wright has much of a chance, even if he was drafted through rule V. his track record isnt very pretty

    same thing with ryan houston. just another arm to look at in ST
     
  17. DVauthrin

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    Ramirez is likely to start in AAA.
     
  18. Deckard

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    Damn! How did we pull that off? Good move, Astros!
     
  19. Deckard

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    We desperately need at least one good starting pitcher to be the number two. Maybe I should have just stuck Dr. Strangelove's post here. ;) (Kubrick rules!)
     
  20. leroy

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    Barthmaier was lost to the Pirates a while back
     

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