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But her emails: Justice Department to review Clinton email case... again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 4, 2018.

  1. Rashmon

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    How is any of this more important than the fact that Russia interfered with our election and the current administration, the beneficary of that interference, refuses to acknowledge or insure the interference does not continue?
     
  2. Amiga

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    In chronological order:

    US Congress - pass legislation against Russia for interfering in our election, with new sanctions that Trump admin can issue to send a clear message

    CIA - Russia will interfere with the 2018 midterm

    Trump Admin - No new sanction (but, hey they are on notice); now back to Clinton
     
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  3. larsv8

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    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/...a/hysteria-and-incompetence-russia-sanctions/


    No laws broken/ignored
     
  5. larsv8

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    Do you seriously think this is the first election that Russia has attempted to influence? Do you seriously think that they actually had a legitimate effect on the election?

    It's hard to take people seriously who believe that Russia was the reason Hillary lost the election instead of the obvious, she was one of if not the worst major party candidate for president in modern history.

    I know you hate that your favored candidate lost but trying to give Russia credit for it is pretty laughable.
     
  7. tallanvor

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    you post a tweet from a senator saying the law was ignored. It wasn't. She's wrong.

    Second tweet says Trump violated the bill. not even sure what that means but what he did was perfectly legal.
     
  8. NewRoxFan

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    just in case you want to change uniforms...

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  9. larsv8

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    Intentionally dense Tallanvor strikes again!

    Let me help you since you are struggling with the point.

    Both the Senate and the House voted that we were attacked by Russia and should impose sanctions. This isn't a simple majority opinion, it is a consensus opinion, which is practically unheard of in today's political environment.

    The president, who is being investigated for colluding with the Russians, and widely thought to be being blackmailed by them, decides to do the direct opposite of the consensus of Congress / The people, and not impose sanctions on them. The visual here, to anyone who is not acting dense, is that it appears that the president is in fact acting as if he were being blackmailed by Russia

    If it makes it easier to follow, just imagine the President wearing a black hat.
     
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  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Not really, they've moved on from that when they found it to be a dead end. The Russian collusion nonsense is really just a fantasy held by some on the far left that is equivalent to the birthers.
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    Nah, I'll go with the dense @tallanvor. If Congress wanted to require the sanctions be applied, they should have written that in the legislation. They gave the executive discretion, and he's using it. Despite the superficial appearance of impropriety, I'm not picking up my pitchfork for this one. The last thing I want to second guess a president on is international relations. I'm going to trust that the State Dept has their reasons for now, unless and until Mueller can prove some conspiracy. There could be many legitimate reasons to not level sanctions.
     
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  13. tallanvor

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    you mean the president who opened up ANWR and the entire coast line for drilling? You mean the president who has implemented new sanctions on Russia? You mean the president who sold weapons to Poland to help deal with Russia? that president?

    Do i need to be less dense for you?

    also i love the 'widely thought to be blackmailed' statement. Yes Russia is blackmailing Trump to drill as much as possible. Brilliant.
     
  14. Nook

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    President Trump didn't violate the law. Although I don't think that is the position most people are taking.

    What he did is go against 99% of Congress and will take the political consequences that follow, which is negative press and possibly election consequences.

    What isn't being discussed much is that Bernie Sanders was against the bill as well, I believe.
     
  15. Rashmon

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    So, you're saying that you trust this administration's decision-making vis-a-vis Russia? Really?
     
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    Sanders and Rand Paul were the two senators that voted no.
     
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    Semantics. Trump didn’t believe in sanctions then and still doesn’t believe in them now.
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    No, I don't trust their decision-making, but I feel like I have no option but to trust their decision-making. The President and the State Dept handles foreign relations. They do not share with the voter, or even Congress, half the **** that's going on. Nobody but them is informed enough to make a decision. So, I don't really want to play armchair quarterback. I would like Trump out of the role of making these decisions. If he's guilty of conspiring with Russia, I doubly want him out. But, right now, he's in. So whaddya gonna do?
     
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  19. larsv8

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    Not sure what this drivel is about.

    The president serves the people. The people, through representation, made a consensus opinion. The president went against the will of the people.
     
  20. dmoneybangbang

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    Trump didn’t implement new sanctions. Trump has lots of financial ties and interests with Russians. I don’t think Trump is a Russian pawn but merely benefits financial from them.

    Money laundering is a serious crime.
     

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