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bush's former legal council, john yoo says bush can sexually torture children

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  1. jo mama

    jo mama Contributing Member

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    this is just sick. its old news, but in light of what has happened this week i think its something everyone needs to be aware of.

    yes ladies and gentlemen, your "christian conservative" leaders think they have the authority to sexually torture children infront of their parents.

    john yoo - 1967), a professor of Law at the University of California, Berkeley School of Law (Boalt Hall). A Korean-born American, he is best known for his work from 2001 to 2003 in the United States Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel.
    He contributed to the PATRIOT Act and wrote controversial memos in which he advocated the possible legality of torture and that enemy combatants could be denied protection under the Geneva Convention as a means of diminishing legal challenges regarding war crimes.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo

    During a December 1st debate in Chicago with Notre Dame professor and international human rights scholar Doug Cassel, John Yoo gave the green light for the scope of torture to legally include sexual torture of infants.

    Cassel: If the president deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?

    Yoo: No treaty.

    Cassel: Also no law by Congress — that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo…

    Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.

    listen to the audio here -
    http://movies.crooksandliars.com/yoo-1.mp3


    i would encourage everyone to share this with their friends, family, pastors, priests, sewing groups, ect. we need to wake people up to what these pieces of trash are doing to our country. is this really what america is all about?

    if you think this is ok dont you dare call yourself a christian or an american, because you are neither.
     
  2. geeimsobored

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    Yoo's view of international law and foreign policy isn't unique by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, what it boils down to, is two competing views of international law and treaty obligations.

    On one hand, you have many scholars and people (myself included) who believe that international law is a binding obligation that functions as law. The moment the Senate ratifies the treaty, those treaties and agreements should carry the same force as any domestic law and should be treated as such.

    On the other hand, people like Yoo contend that treaties and international law are different from domestic legislation. International law is not binding and is merely a voluntary accession by member nations. (essentially a unilateral moratorium rather than true legal prohibition) His contention is that the voluntary nature of international law has two implications. First, international law is purely a domain of american foreign policy rather than congressional law and thus it is within the jurisdiction of the executive branch since the executive is in charge of carrying out foreign affairs. Secondly, the voluntary nature of international law means it can be selectively applied and that courts have no jurisdiction on the matter since article III doesn't grant the courts any foreign policy powers.

    Yoo's argument is that on a purely theoretical basis, Bush could torture children because that his under his domain in terms of foreign policy. Now where Yoo gets screwed on this issue is the fact that in 1996, the Clinton administration passed the War Crimes Act which essentially codified the Geneva Convention protections into law, essentially erasing much of Yoo's position on this issue. This has shifted from a foreign policy question to a question of domestic law. So his and the conservatives's position has shifted from whether or not the Geneva Conventions can be applied at will to legal semantics about the language of the Conventions and its applicability to "enemy combatants."

    And sadly, they've largely won on this issue. The only thing the court could apply to "enemy combatants" was common article 3 of the Geneva Conventions which specifies that it applies not only to prisoners of war, but to anyone involved in combat. However, Common Article 3 is written like the preamble of our constitution and consists of a bunch of vague, idealistic statements about human dignity and rights without ever going into specifics.

    This is a tough and complicated question that unfortunately isn't as clear cut as we wish. And more importantly, the determinations of executive power that the court will be forced to wrestle with, will impact us for generations.

    Honestly, the easiest solution is for Congress to force a showdown with the President. I honestly hope the Democrats can take back Congress and just blast the president with legislation on this issue and force him to veto. The "do-nothing" Congress of Truman did more than the one we have now.
     
  3. aussie rocket

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    wow.

    crushing testis is not cool

    Yoo is a freak. Its one thing to think something - another to advocate it. You'd hope this is just isnt something that woud literally come to be, but I bet somewhere, somehow it may already have.

    And Bush may not only have been aware of it, he may of sanctioned it.
     
  4. Saint Louis

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    [​IMG]

    So who is behind that tingly feeling between your legs, is it Satan? Or is it Bush? Or are they the same? Let me call Hugo for clarification.
     
  5. Sishir Chang

    Sishir Chang Contributing Member

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    Doesn't ratification of a treaty make it a law?
     
  6. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    What is the point of laws you can interpret them however you want.
     

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