Well, unless he is admitting to being an elitist, he is indeed calling me an elitist... and that will be a large disagreement. If we disagree on it, one of us must be "in favor" of it....
If a large percentage of people distrust someone, the "double-bind" tag fits. That's just the way it is. Forget fairness. That's how people FEEL about him. His reputation precedes him. Cause and effect. You reap what you sow, etc.... Just like Clinton and his lies.
giddyup, you could be middle class, but have a different viewpoint towards those of the upper elite (like their lofty ideals; piety, look up to them, respect them, like their sense of entitlement or whatever...). And because of that, you view points can differ. That's between you and nyquil82. That being said... That still doesn't mean that YOU are an elitist (rich, powerful, with influence). That just means that you *view* them differently (and their ideals) than nyquil82.
You can apply that to anyone. Even yourself. Thus, if that's the case. Then how can anyone be objective? Even FoxNews? FoxNews is your "teacher."
I'll take the low road and pull out the Dictionary.com definiton: "Elitism: The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources." Elitism goes way beyond have differing viewpoints. I'd like to know what he meant.... I guess I will eventually.
Exactly. I wasn't the one indicating that everyone had the ability to be objective... We can strive toward objectivity, but it is very difficult to attain. It is hard to be that detached.
I think you should call Dr. Laura and talk with her about those "feelings." It is irrational to criticize someone regarding which of two 180-degreee opposite choices they make.
Yes, I understand that.... So, answer this... First question is: Are you are a part of that group (economically, status and influence)? Second question is: Do you believe like they do (even thoough you are NOT part of them)? I think you may fit under the second question.
This is regarding the American public in general. This is not about "softy feelings." I said, FEEL(conclusions) or THINK. That's the way it IS out in the real world! It's REAL! Not imaginary. And you can't dismiss it *all* as "wrong" or "incorrect" or "unfair" just because you can't see what they see. It's a view point based on experience with that person, persons or situation. Do you think that we live in a vacuum or something? People can make judgments based on experience towards others. We do have brains! We can use them. And because of that reason and experience, it IS possible to turn out to be correct about someone, or something.
Let me start again... First question is: Are you are a part of that *elite* group (economically, status and influence)? Second question is: Do you believe like the *elite* do (even though you are NOT part of them)? I think you may fit under the second question. Now go back and re-read your own Dictionary.com definiton on "elitism" if you want to know what they believe.
The part of your text that I quoted above only referenced "feel" with nothing about "thinking" in it. Check it yourself. Obviously, we do both most of the time, but what predominates? That's what's important. Take this highlight from Lowry's article and explain to me how these kinds of criticisms/ pending criticisms are in any way fair, rational, reasonable, or desirable (unless your motivatons are purely political): "If he (Bush) adopts a doctrine of preemption, he is unacceptably remaking American national-security policy. If the United States suffers a terror attack on his watch, he should have preempted it. If he signs a far-reaching antiterror law, he is abridging civil liberties. If the United States suffers another terror attack on his watch, he should have had a more vigorous anti-terror law."
Originally posted by DavidS Let me start again... First question is: Are you are a part of that *elite* group (economically, status and influence)? <b>No. I'm a working slob, although my collar is "white."</b> Second question is: Do you believe like the *elite* do (even though you are NOT part of them)? <b>Are you asking me if I believe that I am particularly deserving because of some characteristic that I do NOT have (i.e. money, power, inflluence)? The answer is obviously no. In fact, that's the only possible answer unless I were delusional. No quips allowed!</b> I think you may fit under the second question. <b>Thank you too for illustrating Lowry's premise. You are putting me in a double-bind: damned if I do, damned if I don't. The choices you have given me are: 1. Being an Elitist, or 2. Being an Elitist Wannabe.</b> Now go back and re-read your own Dictionary.com definiton on "elitism" if you want to know what they believe. <b>I think you should re-read it. An elitist believes that they should get favored treatment. All I'm asking for and all I think any president (or anyone for that matter) deserves is a level playing field. Putting him in a double-bind-- especially in a time of war-- is self-centered and destructive. The only thing Bush could do to please these folks is to leave office.</b>
Not true. You could aspire to be *like them* i.e. looking up to your "heros." Therefor I asked if you did. You said, no. I just wanted you to say it. That's right. So, I guess that's a "no" on both questions. Good.
An elitist believes more than just favored treatment. You said it yourself. Also, I was asking about your PERSONAL views on elitisms/elitist, in general (in the context of this conversation). I put Bush aside for a second...but carry on... Thus, I don't have to re-read the definition.
I'm sorry you take things so literally. "Feel" can also mean that it's a state of mind, condition or situation of ones mind, and/or personal position, or conclusions that a person/or persons have (example: I "feel" that Clinton is a dishonest person). I think you misconstrued it on purpose to being some "touchy feeling" thing that needed help from Dr. Laura. That, or you take all things too literally. Yes, and as far as the way that American's *feel* (think!) about this president...It IS predominantly negative.
sorry, been away for a while, by elitist, I was refering I knew that I was above average. elitism is not necessarily a bad thing, but a mind set (and in some cases like Lance armstrong or Hakeem, a reality)
