I've read on a couple message boards that the Saints are really high on Bush, not sure if they are willing to trade up for him, but some were saying that NOLA has Bush rated as the highest prospect they've ever seen. It was a message board so take it for what it's worth. You would think that after the workout Bush had, the Saints would be wanting to move up. But like you said, Deuce is good when healthy and they also picked up Bennett as well. I think the Saints should be looking to trade down. They will most likely go with D'Brick or Mario, but they might be able to pick up a pick or two for a team looking to get Leinart/VY.
I don't exactly agree w/ Sam on this one, but I see what he is saying.. Players like Bush/Leinart/VY etc...don't have to follow the drug testing rules set by their school and by the NCAA since they are no longer student-athletes, nor are they players in the NFL. What Sam is trying to say is that there is a possible 5-7 month span where a player COULD use performance enhancing drugs and not be subjected to tests by the NCAA or the NFL. I'm not condoning any type of these activities, but you have to admit, there could be a loop hole where players could drastically change their draft position and money situation.
I think it's a case of him playing Devil's Advocate to make his point, but that's just my read on it.
It's so sad to see the Reggie Bush haters trying to discount this guy's commitment and dedication that let him have such a fantastic workout. I am as big a VY fan as anyone, but that won't blind me to RB's greatness. Props to RB and here's hoping that he has a great NFL career with the Houston Texans...it should be incredibly fun to watch this team play this upcoming season Welcome to Houston, Barry Sa...errr..Reggie Bush
No. An aggy never cheats. Chandler and then athletick director Jackie Sherrill enjoy an awards ceremony at Olsen Field. http://12thmanfoundation.com/mag/Vol6/vol6no3/chandler.asp (FYI, that is not a typo, that is actually the way "athletick" is spelled in the caption on the website, LOL) Honestly, I don't have a problem with guys taking performance enhancing substances if they're under no obligation not to do so. However I'm not debating the ethics of it, I'm just saying that it's likely to happen with rational actors.
This guy is/looks amazing. How can anyone not be excited about him? Even if our quarterback situation was significantly worse, you'd still have to consider taking Bush. He seems that good.
I would not say Bush's workout was superhuman, but it was exceptional. I did think it was important for him to run 4.4 or lower (which he did, 4.37 seems to be the consensus), and show other rare athletic attributes like he did (e.g., 40+ verticle). Bench press wasn't that important to me (lower body strength is more important for an RB), but the oustanding bench showing certainly doesn't hurt. Clearly Bush showed himself to be a very rare and elite athlete. His workout did a ton to weigh positively against a lot of the questions I have for him as a workhorse pro tailback, as he confirmed a tremendous upside at the next level. I certainly think there is enough cumulative evidence that he is worthy of the #1 pick, even if he would not be my #1 pick. Had he ran a 4.5 or anywhere close to it and more ordinary verticle and jump it would have thrown up a lot more red flags. To me both VY and Bush showed what I wanted from workouts. One of the concerns about VY was his arm, and I think he showed an accurate and strong NFL arm, certainly moreso than ML did at his pro day. [For those dismissing VY's pro day throwing as nobrainer easy, I don't know what they are not saying about ML sailing some passes (as he did in the Rose Bowl BTW) and showing very averagish arm strength.] VY ran slower than expected, but he was on a slow track and didn't seem prepped for it, but even then 4.57 for a 6'5" 235lb passer-runner QB is just fine. As for Bush, again great workout. The only negative is I think he came in a little light for a nearly 6 foot guy planning on being a workhorse (202lbs), but you can't question his superb athletic ability and tests, certainly confirmed he is a rare athlete. If I were the Texans I would have wanted to see that before spending a #1 pick and probably a 50 mil contract on a player who shared halfback duties and whom had been in a system that allowed him to always play to his strengths--and Bush delivered. I still havn't changed by view if I am picking 1 guy to build a team with in this draft I would take the most special talent at QB, and that is VY. But I certainly can understand the Texans deciding the best (or safest--financially or otherwise) course is going with Carr and Bush to build your team. From what I saw on the college football field (most strongly weighted) through their workouts (also important), VY would be MY #1 to Bush as #2--maybe the pair will turn out like from the Elway (#1) and Dickerson (#2) draft or the Aikman (#1) and Sanders (#3) draft. It is almost a certainty Bush will be taken #1 by the Texans, but history will tell who is the more impactfull NFL player. Both will certainly bring buzz and hall of fame upside to their drafting teams.
While I think the 225 bench press test is next to worthless, it was impressive to see him crank out 24 reps, especially considering his range of motion.
Well said, but I still think VY is overrated in Houston ...... I would still rather take Leinart if we were to pick a QB. If VY was sooooooo "special" he would be lined up at #2 for teams to trade up, but beside Houston nobody talks about other teams trying hard to get him. Is more like will the Titans take him or will VY fall to #10 to Arizona?
No matter what skill position you play in the NFL, strength matters...whether its upper or lower body. For a runningback, obviously lower body strength is more important, however, had Bush tossed up 4 reps at 225, I'd be quite concerned. If for nothing else, the 24 reps shows that he has a work ethic that shouldnt be questioned...with that, he can build his body into the shape necessary to be a successful NFL runningback. Im very impressed with him. As far as LenDale is concerned...I dont know what the dude has been doing. So he hurt his hamstring, doesnt that mean that he should have had about 30 reps with the bench? If he couldnt run or do leg exercises, the least he could have done is work his ass off on the upperbody. At least show that you arent a lazy ass. Those 15 reps are definitely a red flag in my book, even if a RB doesnt "need" upperbody strength. The meaning behind it runs deeper than just the number of reps.
I think bench press is a good guage of overall strength. I don't think it is worthless, especially for NFL players.
I disagree... he'll have to block at times, he'll have to stiffarm at times to get the extra few yards. he'll need to keep the ball when some defender's tugging at it and his body is falling the wrong way, etc.
