Tinman's not demonstrating classic neo-con tactics here. He's just demonstrating the effects of being off his meds! Holy schmokles...talk about a thread blow up!
US Orders Syria To Do the Impossible By Paul Craig Roberts 01/26/06 -- -- Is there a person anywhere in the world who still thinks there is an ounce of sanity in the Bush administration? If so, let that person read John Bolton’s orders to Syria in the January 24 online edition of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. Bolton is Bush’s unconfirmed ambassador to the United Nations. Bolton, a neoconservative warmonger, has managed to get the UN Security Council on January 23 to instruct Syria to disband and disarm the Lebanese militias. Bolton says, "I hope in Damascus they read it very carefully and then comply." How is Syria to meet this demand? Last year Syria complied with US demands to withdraw its troops from Lebanon. As Syria has no military presence in Lebanon, it could not disarm a local police force, much less the Shia militias that defeated the Israeli army and drove it out of Lebanon and that have representatives in the Lebanese parliament. After three years and unimaginable expense, the superpower American military has proved that it cannot disarm the recently formed Iraqi militias. Yet, Bolton thinks puny Syria can disarm the Lebanese militias that defeated the brutal Israeli army! Syria was never in Lebanon as a conqueror or invader, as the US is in Iraq and Israel is in the West Bank and Golan Heights. Syria was invited into Lebanon by the Lebanese government for peace-keeping purposes, adding the weight of its military to indigenous militias in order to create stability where US, Palestinian and Israeli bungling had brought disorder and massive bloodshed. Until they were withdrawn, the Syrian troops were a counterweight to the Shia militias. Now that the Shia crescent is spreading from Iran through Iraq to Lebanon, the neoconservatives are confronted with the error of their ways. The Bush administration was trying to set Syria up for US attack by demanding that they withdraw from Lebanon. The neocons thought Syria would refuse and thereby become a target for demonization and invasion. Alas, the Syrians departed. And now the problem is how to turn back the Shia advance, which is increasing in power inside Lebanon as well through the Hizbullah and Amal movements. Bolton’s solution is a ridiculous attempt to turn Syria into a neocon proxy and to set it at war with the militias. Otherwise, Bolton intends to damn Syria for "noncompliance" and again threaten Syria with US invasion. It will be interesting to see who Syria fears most, the militias that triumphed over Israeli military might or the US forces that are bogged down in Iraq. Dr. Roberts is Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, former contributing editor for National Review, and a former assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
It's interesting that you mention this and that the plane was a U2. From what I understand the U2 was not originally equiped with an ejection seat, and one was only added when pilots complained. Even then, it has been speculated that the seat was only supposed to be "window dressing" as it was never tested which I believe is unique for modern American aircraft. This speculation continues that when Gary Powers was shot down over the USSR in his U2, the CIA was apoplectic, as they had always expected the U2 pilots to die if their planes were destroyed. Also, I never miss a chance to bring up Operation Northwoods, in which the Joint Chiefs suggested, among other things, doing more or less the same thing to start a war with Cuba and Castro. (The link is to one of those paranoid conspiracy sites. I included it because it has scans of the original FOIA documents obtained by James Bamford. More mainstream news sources have reported on the story.)
Alas, though I am generally a supporter of Israel, this seems to be the primary method of dealing with the Palestinian Authority as well. Take away all funding and guns and then demand that they disarm millitias and stop suicide bombers which the mighty Israeli army can't stop. If you want to screw someone, give them an impossible but reasonable sounding task, wait for them to fail, and then punish them for the "failure".
you mentioned bin laden as a politician. YUP. people do die all the time, check the obituraries. people who join the military know its a deadly job, but they do it. you can't volunteer for a position and blame someone else if they die in combat. two. you are using a reusing a cutdown. I called YOU SHAWN BRADLEY. this shows you have no skills and no wit. you're straight up Milli Vanilli. you better call superman to help you in this debate or something. i'd rather hear Marlie Matlin debate me than you.
I've heard about this before. It really is mind blowing. Here's a link to a much more readable pdf of the docs at George Washington University. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
listen white chocolate, i didnt start crap, read the thread, see who wanted a piece of me: Batman wanted to challenge Thor and he got beaten down by his hammer. that's what happened.
Can't they make a freaking better plane than the u2? this is an old ass technology. if they can make predator drones, cant they some better spy plane than the freaking U2?
bnb, batman wanted some, just like like Das EFX said, you better check yourself before you wreck your self. im not going to back down on a challenge. its true, im not saying i support bush or kerry or the shaw of iran, but a joke to lighten up the thread is something these Darko Millichecks need.
One thing I don't understand is why tinman can't condense his thoughts into a single post... Here's what I see... Today 04:33 PM tinman This user is on your Ignore List. Today 04:30 PM tinman This user is on your Ignore List. Today 04:30 PM tinman This user is on your Ignore List. In the course of those three minutes, were the ideas for posts springing forth so quickly and yet so far apart in content that they couldn't be lumped into a single post?
this guy isn't man enough to challenge me. ignore me, true Rocket fans aren't cowards. At least batman challenged me, and I respect him for that. I called him shawn bradley and milli vanilli, but its all good.
This is a replay of something that happened in the Vietnam war isn’t it? Wasn’t there a US war ship that suffered a phantom attack which Johnson used to justify attacking North Vietnam?
The Gulf of Tonkin incident, though the NSA has recently declassified documents which support the idea that there was an attack or at least that everybody thought that there was an attack.
buchanan had a fairly interesting article two days ago about this issue. here (sorry if this has been posted)
