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Bush to unveil border guard boost

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, May 15, 2006.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    Read somewhere that the Guard will be used mainly for support services & logistical stuff, freeing the Border Patrol personnel currently performing those tasks to be used in more front-line (bad word choice) positions.

    Makes sense it that's indeed the case.
     
  2. mc mark

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    DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff six months ago on the O'Reilly Factor:

    http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000661.php
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    So is an oven.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    I don't see it as much of a big deal. I don't see why there should be any objection to making the border less porous (except Mexico's concern about militarizing the border). It doesn't sound like a huge commitment on the NG's part, compared to what they are doing in Iraq. This job seems better suited to their mission than fighting in Iraq anyway. On the other end, it only addresses a very small facet of the whole issue. Sure, we should go ahead and close our border, but it does little for what to do about 12 million already here, and the incentive that draws millions of others.
     
  5. pgabriel

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    I agree, isn't it the national guard's function?
     
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    I'm shocked. The Bush Administration and Homeland Security have no idea what to do, so they contract it out and have private industry perform an inherently government job at an exhorbitant price. Not to mention the advancement of the border issue as a "war" where military means must be brought to bear. Incredible. Any bets on the ultimate success of this program?

     
  7. Mulder

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    So the plan is for the National Guard to stay until 6000 new agents are on the border.

    Good luck. The President of the Union for the Border Patrol says this is not going to happen any time soon. The job is very boring, and starting pay is lower than local police and the moral among border patrol agents is extremelly low. "I have never seen moral any lower than it is now." He has been there for 28 years.

    The Border Patrol loses 10% every year. Force at 11,500 a 15% increase since 9/11. Max entrance age has been increased to 40, but still only 1 in 300 applicants become agents due to high standards such as rigorous physical test, fluency in Spanish, and the intense familiarity of immigration law that is required.

    Congressman Sylvester Reyes who is a former Border Patrol agent says that Congress and the President could ask for and fund the training 10000 of new agents in a year but "it can't be done".

    The academy can't train that many agents, the graduating class will top 1500 agents well short of the President's goal of 2000 a year. - Source for above data and quotes: NPR http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5410550

    So let me lay out the math.

    10% attrition rate of a Border Ptrol with 11,500 agents = 1150 leaving a year.

    Border Patrol graduates 1500 a year, a net increase of 350 a year. Bush wants an additional 6000 agents.

    6000 / 350 = 17 years.

    Beef the numbers up to 2000 graduating a year and the net increase (if the number stays the same (1150 out) but the PERCENTAGE of attrition actually goes lower)

    6000 / 850 = 7 years.

    If you look at another (more bleak) way 850X (net increase times number of years) = 17,500 goal (11,500 agents now + 6000 new agents)

    That is 20.5 years.

    This is in no way a temporary assignment for the National Guard and to paint it as such is either IGNORANT or DISHONEST. Gee, where have I heard those choices before?
     
  8. Saint Louis

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    My neighbor is Border Patrol and he is pretty cynical about his job. He is very dedicated, but feels like they are just barely scratching the surface of what needs to be done. The Border Patrol, at least in Arizona, is completely overwhelmed.
     
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