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Bush Plans to Veto Stem Cell Bill

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Jun 19, 2007.

  1. dntrwl

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    I wonder what Bush says to himself inside his head. "Cmon Dubya, stay the course. Don't pay attention to all the media nonsense, stay the course. Republicans stay the course, your father will be proud. Hey is that spinach? I love spinach. Spinach reminds me of staying the course, which is what I do with my administration."
     
  2. Zac D

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    Okay, here's a thing.

    Does this mean I can divert my tax dollars from implementing the death penalty and the war effort?

    HOOK IT UP, G-DUB
     
  3. mc mark

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    no doubt!
     
  4. NewYorker

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    No, because other countries don't have provincial ethics based on 2000 year old dogma....wait, except for the Middle East. Ironic isn't it, that Bush is more like an Arab leader then a European one. Maybe that's why they get along so well.

    It doesn't matter, because what will happen is that other countries will advance in research and come up with cures, and we can fall behind in yet another industry.

    Bush has done more to bring an end to American Prosperity then any other human being in our history.
     
  5. DonkeyMagic

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    a lot of people still hold that dogma close, whether you agree with it or not. So we have to deal with it, for better or worse.

    And if another country advances in research, then an american research group can just buy out those Drs and then enjoy the benefits. But so what if another country makes progress? did the finding of penicillin in france limit its uses to only france? Will finding a cure for cancer (or more like a very effective treatment) at MDACC limit it only to the states? i dont think so.

    ending american prosperity? hows the dow doing today? i dont get your connection.

    but like i said, as much promise as is being shown ( by researchers who want funding) what does that really mean? not a whole lot in my book because as i mentioned before promising signs can still be decades away from becoming an actual functional treatment. But no cause for alarm, there will be another president soon and if he/she sees fit they can allow funding.
     
  6. rhadamanthus

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    Brilliant!
     
  7. rhadamanthus

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    Hypothetical: Bush enacts law sentencing all democrats to death.

    But Snow argued that Bush's policy has actually opened the door to a new era of bi-partian lovemaking. "The notion that we are against democrats is wrong," he said. "No administration has been more supportive."

    This whole administration is insane.
     
  8. DonkeyMagic

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    ignore is cool.

    but let me guess...im stupid and immoral, right rhad? :D :p
     
  9. insane man

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    thats not true. majority of americans support it.

    stem cell research will reap enormous economic benefits.
     
  10. Major

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    Not that I disagree with the rest of your post, but this is simply silly. The Dow has been horrible for a while now. It just recently broke through its value from 7 years ago. Adjusting for inflation, you've lost quite a bit of money from 2000 to now. Over the past 5 years, most international markets and most commodities have outperformed the dow. Over the past 10-12 years (to get rid of the blip from the late 1990's), the Dow has gone up about 8-9% per year on average, below its historical pace.

    And that doesn't account for the decline in the dollar which makes the value of those investments that much worse.
     
  11. NewYorker

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    Point is, countries that have gov't backing research will make the break-throughs and attract the top doctors...and our companies are moving over seas. The prestige is leaving. Our companies are leaving.

    Look across areas: We've been losing ground in manufacturing for years. Our education system produces the worst educated workforce amongst the big nations. We're laden with health care and unions. Our gov't is roiling in debt. Our current accounts are at record negative lows. Americans are at or near record levels of borrowing.

    The Dow no longer reflects the state of our economy entirely. It's the state of corporations. Global profits for a company drives the DOW up.

    I'm not saying doom is eminent....and it's not even that we are declining. Just relative to the rest of the world.

    And the brain influx is ending. Where as before we were the destination of intelligent immigrants....it's not there anymore, people have great opportunities at home.

    The dynamics are not positive. All we need is apresident who ignores this and wastes resources on war instead of ensuring prosperity for the future. Who puts his personal out-of-touch religious beliefs ahead of the better good of the country.
     
  12. DonkeyMagic

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    so would a cure for aids and cancer. so will a cheaper and more effecient fuel, etc.

    i dont know if the majority support it, but i know a lot do.

    good point major. however, i dont think that it would be too far fetched of an idea to think that america's prosperity was in doubt before this president.
     
  13. RocketManJosh

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    ... and this matters because?

    right or wrong on this issue or any other issue, I don't ever want a President that uses opinion polls to make his (or her) decisions on any issue. The majority of Americans also are completely and utterly uneducated on virtually every issue and base their opinions on the "news" and hollywood.

    At some point the majority of Americans also thought slavery was ethical.
     
  14. DonkeyMagic

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    well you assuming they will make break throughs because they have govt backing. I dont think that govt backing is necessary to make a breakthrough. i dont want to sound like a broken record, but cancer research gets plenty of backing and there are many areas that show, and have shown, promise...for 25 years with no widespread implementation. (gene therapy for example)

    companies go overseas for numerous reasons, not only because of prestige. There are alot of untapped markets still out there. If you want to be a successful company you have to go to them.


    you are right, this has been a problem for years well before this current admin.



    right, eventually the rest of the world will close the gap. its only natural especially when so many countries struggled and underachieved for so long.

    im not so sure about that. %wise, i would agree, but there is still a lot of very talented and brilliant people that come here.

    again, you're only fooling yourself if you think its attributed to this admin only. i know they are the whipping boy, but realistically these problems have been around a looonnngggg time.
     
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    Damn this could have finally cured male pattern baldness... :mad:
     
  16. NewYorker

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    The point isn't that this problem has been around awhile. Everyone can use that excuse until it's too late.

    The point is that this administration hasn't done anything in 6 years to change the course.

    In fact, Bush has moved us more on to a direct course toward a black hole. We're not even trying to change course, because we have a fool of a president who wants to keep sailing to doom.

    ANd why should he care. It's not his problem. He will be well taken care of in his life. These problems will be other people's problems in two years. And he can go back to playing golf.
     
  17. DonkeyMagic

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    i dont know if they havent done 'anything' but if you blame this admin you should equally blame any previous admin b/c this problem may have been magnified during this admin but it originated elsewhere. im just sick of people thinking bush is the source of all evil, just be fair in ridicule. Bush hatred seems to cloud peoples minds about the bigger issues and problems...problems that would still be problems with or without him to a certain extent.

    Just like now, we are talking about stem cells (well i wass trying to) and now the conversation has been turned to bush admin. You didnt even address anything about stem cells.

    nothing above addressed the stem
     
  18. insane man

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    it matters because the other poster claimed a lot of americans were against it. while 'a lot' is vague, the majority of americans support stem cell research.

    i dont care to respond to someone who correlates slavery with stem cell research.
     
  19. DonkeyMagic

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    true. but you they support embryonic stem cell research where embryos are destroyed?

    when that question is asked i think its important to clarify that there are various forms of stem cell research. It not only embryonic that show great promise.

    maybe the majority do support embryonic research. The %s should be fairly close to the prolife v prochoice, i would guess...at least you would think it would be
     
  20. geeimsobored

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    Blame the previous administration??

    Stem Cell research wasn't even a possibility until the last year of the Clinton administration. And on that note, Clinton ordered the national institutes of health to start the process for federal funding which involved setting up parameters for research, setting up an ethical protocol, etc..

    In fact the Clinton proposal actually would have set aside funding for much broader types of embryonic stem cell research than the recent bill pushed through congress.

    And on adult stem cells, those really have serious shortfalls since only embryonic stem cells have the capacity to turn into any cell in the body. Funding those is good, but its not an excuse to deny funding for embryonic stem cell research.
     

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