copy and paste from that texans message board................. i really hope we take vince or reggie because if we passed on both and they both turned into superstars we would never hear the end of it.
But if teams think you are so high on him then they are going to assume you want way more then they are willing to offer right now. Or they're thinking if he is so great then why are you even listening to offers (I know that one is a little far fetched). But seriously it is all posturing. The real offers won't come in until right before the draft and the Texans don't want to show their cards yet. Which ultimately means they need teams to think they might take someone else, and that they are interested in trading down fo rthe right deal.
in my experience, the first rule of negotiation is to start high. start with the notion that "you'll always listen to offers...but..you're really happy with (alternate outcome)." i'm not saying this means the Texans are NOT taking Bush. but i'm suggesting that traditional negotiation doesn't start from the point of...wow...we're a little bit in disarray. we can't even get this guy to the table to talk money.
That's the thing. The Texans could trade down to as low as 7th, and there is still a good chance the guy they draft is a marquee player. This draft is so deep, it has three guys in it that would be considered #1 pick material probably any other year. Bush is not just the consensus best player in this years draft, he is one of the highest rated college players ever. If we got Mario Williams, D'Brick, Hawk, Vernon Davis or any of the other three I think there is a good chance they become marquee players. That's awesome to me, because I don't think the Texans would trade down any lower than 7 anyway, and it guarantees whoever we get in the first round will be someone I can get excited about.
Exactly. With the right to pick first, you drive up the market for the Bushes, Youngs and Leinerts just in case someone wows you with a great cant-say-no deal. Why would this be smokescrean? We are picking first. Someone explain the logic to me ecause what Cator27 and a few others have done so far is not convincing to say the least. Teams are not that crazy about Bush as we may like to think - at least I have not seen it on paper. So our front offices' lukewarm attitude does not help. My sense of this all is that many people do not see Bush as special for one reason or the other. Personally I would like to see us trade down. I love Bush's game but I still fail to see his ultimate value to this team when put into perspective what Mario or D'Brick could bring for a very long time. Now If we did not sign Moulds, I would have liked it more but.....I have cooled off on the Bush lust long time ago.
Actually that is kind of my point. Talking up Bush IMO isn't going to make a big difference. If you talk like Bush is the next coming, some teams are going to say good, draft him at #1 and pay him. There are 7-8 other players we like as much or better than him, that we'll draft come our turn. This draft is different than most because there are 4-5 guys you could draft with the first pick and no one is going to say man why did that guy go #1. The way it looks to me is that the Texans would seriously consider moving down a couple of slots and getting a few extra picks and still drafting a quality player. The problem is the teams that are potential trade partners know that they don't have to do any manuevering and they'll still get a potential superstar. They don't really need to move up for Bush. I'm with you in the fact that I wouldn't mind seeing them move down a few spots and get some picks and still get a good player. The problem is the teams right now that are looking to move up are outside the top 7 and after the top 6-7 players the talent level takes a drop.
Are you kidding? I guess scoring TD's are over rated, because that is what this guy does. What does Mario bring that is so much of more value than scoring? Mario is a rush end, thats it. He's a super athelete and is sure to bring a couple of sacks, but thats about it. As far D'Brick goes, I'm all for having a really good OT, but everybody said the same thing about Gallery 2 years ago and he still hasn't preformed up to his draft position, there are plenty of good teams out there that don't have top 5 drafted OT's, and sure the same thing can be said about RB's, but Reggie is one of the the higheset touted prospects ever according to more than one scouting service. If he was just a RB I could see your point, but this guy is a super offensive weapon and can open up so much for the offense. Thats is what you call value
Good post. But to say Mario is just a rush end is a little silly. Elite DE's can anchor defenses for years, look at what Pepper's has done for the Panthers, Rice for the Bucs. They do more than just get a couple of sacks, if they are good (which Mario is projected to be), they could literally limit where an offense runs the ball and the type of passing plays they want to use. I agree w/ almost everything you said about Bush. But if you're talking about TDs, spending a #1 pick on Bush wouldn't make as much sense as trading down and picking up White or D. Williams later in the 1st Round.
It is also important to note there are several good quality OTs in the draft. my question is in D'Brick head and shoulders above Winston, Scott, McNeil, Colledge all guys that could be there in rounds 2 or 3? With regards to Williams, getting a pass rush is really important but I am not sure you can trade back and still get him as I am pretty sure NO takes him at 2. I love the thought of extra picks but I am not sure that will happen unless they have 5 guys targeted and don't care whom they end up with in round 1. This could certainly be the case - Bush, D'brick, Davis, Hawk or even Huff could all look good in a Texan uniform if the compensation package for moving down is sweet enough.
SF just aquired a 1st round pick from denver. they now have 2 first round picks. reggie bush as said his 1st choice team would be SF. SF might be setting up for a move to 1. i think they have the 22nd and 6th pick now. maybe those 2 plus next years 1st to get hawk at 6?
I thought of the exact same thing when I saw that Trade. SF needs a Running Back, Bush wants to stay in California, Bush played high school ball with Alex Smith, I could see this happening. Bush to SF almost just sounds right. SF may be the winner of the Bush bowl afterall.
DE can be the most crucial part of a defense. You cant underestimate the impact of a stud pass rushing DE. Its not only about a sack here and there...they have an impact on the opposing teams passing on every play, even if they dont register a sack (By hurrying the QB, taking on an extra blocker, etc...) As far as the SF trade is concerned, I think its pretty interesting. There was no realy reason for it...unless they have something in mind...like trading up...
What are you talking about? Are you referring to Bush? What TDs? The one you imagined? This past season, he only scored 18 TDs if I am not mistaken (16 of those from the ground). Now compare that to White who garnered 26 TDs (24 rushing). LenDale has scored more TDs in the last 2 years than Reg. Now you can dissect that stat all you want but it is what it is - we can go into the semantics of those statistics. Maybe you should learn to check to see if what you utter is the real truth or an imagined one. I will not try to be politically correct and harp the same mash mellow stuff people have been waxing for sometime now - Reggie Bush is overrated. I was in love for a long time until I looked closer and it dawned on me; Bush is NOT special (not what the media and our fans have made him out to be) and it will be unfortunate for us to draft him. We have been here before - drawing fantasy plays and creating one sided imaginations. I will not be fooled by the pull of emotion and desperation to just accept that Reggie will be something special. I stand by my assertion and I will be very willing to eat crow. If we can collective look at this Bush talk really closely we will realize the hidden truth that our emotions and other factors have so far disguised from seeing that drafting Bush will be an avoidable liability. I have to say something though - that Reg does have something going for him i.e. the electricity factor. Other than that I do not think he will be a winner in the NFL from the body of work I have examined so far. Nothing is absolute, just my strong opinion. I say all of this because all have annointed him #1 almost overwhelmingly. My hope is that we balk on him and make the prudent choice of trading down. I hope the folks in our front office is sane enough to realise this.
While I agree with the whole idea that bush is probably the best pick, I don't think that the texans will be able to get Mario Williams if they do, so I can see how he could be considered the #1 pick. Part 1: Mario, if available at pick 2, will likely go to the saints. Part 2: If the Texans trade down, the only potential partners are the Titans and the Jets. More likely the jets. At pick 4, the texans will only have d'brickashaw with Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush going 1st and 3rd. Conclusion: Either take Mario with pick 1, or get d'brickshaw and a late first round pick, and maybe picking up Lendale White with the pick. Is that worth trading pick? I don't think so. I think it should be either Williams, Bush, or bust. Actually I am hoping the titans somehow get a chance to take Williams. That might happen if the Jets trade up for Leinart and Texans take Bush. Man, Mario would put the titans defense over the top.
Let me try your style: Are you obtuse? What he means is Big Play ability. White's 26 TDs averaged 3 yards per TD while Bush's 18 TDs averaged 14 yards per TD. Now that's a playmaker! BTW, my stats are totally fabricated... but representative.
Trading down is looking less and less like a possibility. An NY paper had an article stating that the NYJs aren't interested in moving down. The Titans really have no reason to move up. I doubt the Texans would want to move out of the top 4. There are 5 studs in the draft, and two of them I don't think the Texans will take, ML and VY. Moving down would take a huge package of picks and or players and I am not sure the offer will be there. Regarding Bush, I find this quote of yours humorous: "Reggie Bush is overrated. I was in love for a long time until I looked closer and it dawned on me; Bush is NOT special (not what the media and our fans have made him out to be) and it will be unfortunate for us to draft him." Unless you have actual game film of him that you can stop, rewind, watch in slow motion, and unless you know the design and intent of each play, it would be difficult to believe that you have gleaned some "new" knowledge about him that leads you to believe he will be a bust. If Bush ends up being Faulk, Sayers, LT ect... he is absolutely worthy of the top pick. He will get bigger, stronger, and better. He is only a junior and he will continue to mature until about 25 years of age (in terms of size and strength), and the only real knock on him has been his size.
