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Bush Lied

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Nov 17, 2005.

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Did Bush lie or otherwise manipulate congress and the public into supporting the war?

  1. No

    36 vote(s)
    17.3%
  2. Yes, He Lied

    91 vote(s)
    43.8%
  3. Yes, He Cherry-picked Intelligence

    81 vote(s)
    38.9%
  1. mc mark

    mc mark Member

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    :D

    Weren't they supposed to report on this on the 14th?
     
  2. updawg

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    Yes I would have. too bad this scenerio has yet to occur even after mission was accomplished. Or maybe I'm just reading the wrong news.
     
  3. updawg

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    Also, I didn't support the war initially the way it was planned. Too few troops. Afghanistan yes, Iraq no.
     
  4. thegary

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    City girls just seem to find out early
    How to open doors with just a smile
    A rich old man
    And she won't have to worry
    She'll dress up all in lace and go in style

    Late at night a big old house gets lonely
    I guess ev'ry form of refuge has its price
    And it breaks her heart to think her love is
    Only given to a man with hands as cold as ice

    So she tells him she must go out for the evening
    To comfort an old friend who's feelin' down
    But he knows where she's goin' as she's leavin'
    She is headed for the cheatin' side of town

    You can't hide your lyin' eyes
    And your smile is a thin disguise
    I thought by now you'd realize
    There ain't no way to hide your lyin eyes

    On the other side of town a boy is waiting
    with fiery eyes and dreams no one could steal
    She drives on through the nice anticipating
    'Cause he makes her feel the way she used to feel

    She rushes to his arms,
    They fall together
    She whispers that it's only for awhile
    She swears that soon she'll be comin' back forever
    She pulls away and leaves him with a smile

    You can't hide your lyin' eyes
    And your smile is a thin disguise
    I thought by now you'd realize
    There ain't no way to hide you lyin' eyes

    She gets up and pours herself a strong one
    And stares out at the stars up in the sky
    Another night, it's gonna be a long one
    She draws the shade and hangs her head to cry

    She wonders how it ever got this crazy
    She thinks about a boy she knew in school
    Did she get tired or did she just get lazy?
    She's so far gone she feels just like a fool

    My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things
    You set it up so well, so carefully
    Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things
    You're still the same old girl you used to be

    You can't hide your lyin eyes
    And your smile is a thin disguise
    I thought by now you'd realize
    There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
    There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
    Honey, you can't hide your lyin' eyes
     
  5. wnes

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    Are D&Ders really that "liberal" (judging from the poll) ?
     
  6. Saint Louis

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    And to think that the Rockets are located in Bush's home state. Isn't Texas the grand daddy of Red States? Gun lovin, homo hating, anti abortion, God fearin, pickup driving, flag wavin and members of the Republican base?
     
  7. updawg

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    yes, According to 13 people so far
     
  8. vwiggin

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    I asked about this board's political orientation a few months back. I recall some people said Texas in general is conservative but is more liberal in the big cities. True?
     
  9. Rule0001

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    the poll results have spoken.
     
  10. thegary

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    I think what we're seeing from this thread and the continuing ongoing debate is just how murky the intelligence was regarding Iraq. That is why I choose option C because while I don't think it was an outright lie I think it was more matter of failing to look at the intel critically and instead believing the worst case scenario. So its not a lie in the sense of a deliberate falsehood since I think that the Admin believed the intel on WMD and downplayed intel that contradicted that.

    Since many have brought this up that Congress had the same intel as the President had, which I'm not sure that they did, but presuming they did this still doesn't change the fact that the WMD argument for going into Iraq was wrong and that both Congress and the President were wrong. I think this goes back to that the intel was murky but the Admin were convinced they had a solid case, put together a winning political strategy for that case and that Congress out of either political cowardice or out of honest belief in the threat agreed with it.

    That Congress agreed though doesn't change at all whether the President lied or not. The Congressmen and women that voted for the war might've been lying too.
     
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  12. wnes

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    ......
     
    #52 wnes, Nov 17, 2005
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  13. vwiggin

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    That's mean guys. I think he's trying his best to have a discussion with us.

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  14. basso

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    Once again, the PDB does not support this conclusion. the president's daily briefings suggested a greater threat than the NIE. it was murky, it was more decisive.

    the 9/11 commission report detailed some of the evidence of iraqi-al queda contacts, details that prompted Richard Clarke's fear the Osama would "boogie off to Bahgdad" if the US invaded afghanistan:

     
  15. wnes

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    First, were these corroborated by more than one independent intelligent source? Second, we've seen plenty of examples where the truthfulness of intelligence and trustworthiness source are questionable at best, deceitful at worst. If this comes from, say Chalabi, I'd think more than twice about its usefulness. Or may even attempt to make opposite conclusion out of it. Third, even if they did meet, do we know what they were discussing? Are you just gonna assume?
     
  16. Space Ghost

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    Good post.
     
  17. wnes

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    How so?
     
  18. Space Ghost

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    I think so. (in general) Honestly, I didn't think Bush had a chance with the reelection. Liberals were more outspoken. In the last couple years, voting has been much more conservative than what the media poses.
     
  19. Saint Louis

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    Like my wife's friend who came over after the election and goes, "Bush sucks".

    I asked if she voted for Kerry and she said, "No, I didn't vote."

    I told her to shut the f*** up then because if she was too lazy to vote, then she had no business complaining about who was in the White House.
     
  20. Zboy

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    Hmmm... 82.25 % to 18.75%.

    If my math is right, I would say its 50-50 he lied.
     

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