The main groups leading the ID charge are Christian based - they are pushing their ideology along with general ID philosophy. If ID were taught in schools it wouldn’t bring in the creation beliefs of other religions IMHO.
I doubt that public schools would allow religion-specific teaching. Pushers of ID in public schools aren't that stupid. Groups like the ACLU would fight it ferociously.
"This is neo-creationism, trying to avoid the legal morass of trying to teach creationism overtly and slip it in through the backdoor," said Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education. ________ Kansas moves to stem role of evolution in teaching (Reuters) - After months of debate over science and religion, the Kansas Board of Education has tentatively approved new state science standards that weaken the role evolution plays in teaching about the origin of life. The 10-member board must still take a final vote, expected in either September or October, but a 6-4 vote on Tuesday that approved a draft of the standards essentially cemented a victory for conservative Christian board members who say evolution is largely unproven and can undermine religious teachings about the origins of life on earth. "We think this is a great development ... for the academic freedom of students," said John West, senior fellow of the Discovery Institute, which supports intelligent design theory. Intelligent design proposes that some features of the natural world are best explained as products of a considered intent as opposed to a process of natural selection. The board is sending its drafted standards to a Denver-based education consultant before a final vote, planned for either September or October. If they win final approval, Kansas will join Minnesota, Ohio and New Mexico, all of which have adopted critical analysis of evolution in the last four years. The new science standards would not eliminate the teaching of evolution entirely, nor would they require that religious views, also known as creationism, be taught, but it would encourage teachers to discuss various viewpoints and eliminate core evolution theory as required curriculum. Critics say the moves are part of a continuing national effort by conservative Christians to push their secular views into the public education process. "This is neo-creationism, trying to avoid the legal morass of trying to teach creationism overtly and slip it in through the backdoor," said Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education. Kansas itself has been grappling with the issue for years, garnering worldwide attention in 1999 when the state school board voted to de-emphasize evolution in science classes. That was reversed in 2001 with new members elected to the school board. But conservatives again gained the majority in elections in 2004, leading to the newest attacks on evolution. The science standards the board is revising act as guidelines for teachers about how and what to teach students. In May, the board of education sponsored a courtroom-style debate over evolution that saw lawyers for each side cross-examining "witnesses" and taking up issues such as the age of the earth, fossil records and beliefs that humans and are too intricately designed to not have a creator. The hearings came 80 years after evolution was the subject of the famous "Scopes" trial in Tennessee in which teacher John Thomas Scopes was accused of violating a ban against teaching evolution. link
Incase things get heated, I think we all need to take a step back and remember: Oh my Flying Spaghetti Monster, this is lame and hilarious:
In the beginning, the FSM created a mountain, some trees, and a midget. That is an undisputable fact. Well, it cannot be disproved. Isn't that the same thing? We at the Church of the FSM believe that the FSM created the universe ten minutes ago. He created it to look old. He even created memories in each of us. Want proof? Look at your browser's history. Is there something there? That is what I thought.
It's ludicrous for ID proponents to claim that ID doesn't imply God. If it were aliens, moral ethicists of our time would claim that those aliens were "playing God" much like the concerns put up against scientists who pursue genetic engineering new species of bacteria and unicellular organisms. We live like Gods compared to cavemen, and it's upon that scale that ID proponents willingly concede to these unknown Aliens. It's implicit that these entities act as a God Force. If ID proponents are casual upon Aliens creating our world like some Scientology brainwash seminar, then they won't mind us becoming those Aliens and tampering with our genetic code with other gene templates generously provided by our All Knowing God Force. After all, Humans are intelligent and they're more than capable of redesigning something that works.
I can actually out do your hubble image and the only photoshoping I did was resizing by 1/2, darkening the photo in general, and placing the highlighted area. If you think the universe is telling us what it thinks of us... Like Groucho Marx said "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member." There are some elements of inteligent design which are reasonable and worthy of discussion. The problem is that it is an excuse for every yahoo in the country to dispute evolution, seperation of church and state, and the liberal media and any scientific principal that they don't like all rolled into one. There was a call in show to CSPAN today that made it abundantly clear to me that while I can support some elements of inteligent design relating to pre-inflationary cosmology, I will never be able to join the inteligent design movement because the average supporter is... well I erased what I just wrote for fear of insulting uneducated people who work outdoors. The whole public debate is beginning to remind me of The Scopes Monkey Trial.
In support of this, let me draw attention to what is known as the The Wedge Document, a fundrasing tool that was used by the Discovery Institute, one of the leading ID groups.
Yes, I can think of many. Gravity, for example, unless you want to help me out and tell me whether or not I should be paying attention to 26 dimensional super strings or amorphous graviton particles, and all of high level physics, from quantum mechanics,all the way up to cosmology and the creation of the universe itself features as big, if not bigger gaps then evolutionary theory. Hell, an entire generation of physicists became famous doing research on black holes before verification that they even existed. All of science features gaps at basic levels. The fact that you and other creationists can't recognize this indicates that you're picking on evolution to further your own genesis-based religio-politico agenda and pretty much destroys any claim to you having a rational or scientific approach to the issue.
Actually they are fairly sure that they've found the Higgs Boson. The chances that it was an artifact are 9%, though I'd wager not many people who believe in intelligent design could tell me what the Higgs Field is, or tell me the difference between a fermion and a boson, and why is is only bosons can be made into Bose-Einstein Condensates, which they wouldn't have heard of anyway. I wonder how much of the Intelligent Design debate is still about indignation that human beings are one animal among others. If evolution was taught to begin with microbes, and end with chimpanzees, would people still be so concerned.
"A scientist says one of the most sought after particles in physics - the Higgs boson - may have been found, but the evidence is still relatively weak. Peter Renton, of the University of Oxford, says the particle may have been detected by researchers at an atom-smashing facility in Switzerland." "Peter Renton, of the University of Oxford, says the particle may have been detected " "There's certainly evidence for something, whether it's the Higgs boson is questionable," Dr Renton, a particle physicist at Oxford, told BBC News Online. " "Physicists have observed 16 particles that make up all matter under the Standard Model of fundamental particles and interactions. " "But the sums do not quite add up for the Standard Model to be true if these particles are considered alone. If only 16 particles existed, they would have no mass - contradicting what we know to be true in nature. " "Another particle has to give them this mass. Enter the Higgs boson, first proposed by University of Edinburgh physicist Peter Higgs and colleagues in the late 1960s. " "Their theory was that all particles acquire their mass through interactions with an all-pervading field, called the Higgs field, which is carried by the Higgs boson. " "Dr Renton cites indirect evidence taken from observations of the behaviour of other particles in colliders that agrees with the figure of 115 gigaelectronvolts for the mass of the Higgs boson. " Let me translate: 1. Scientists believe they have identified 16 particles that make up matter. However the 16 do not have mass taken alone. 2. Enter Peter Higgs who concludes there must be another particle. (good idea) 3. So some very intelligent scientists put together a very deliberate and designed experiment to collide particles and detected 'background noise' or 'heavier particles'. "This comes from a signal obtained at the large electron positron collider (LEP) in Geneva, Switzerland" (they actually detected a signal from the collisions- must be Higgs' particle) 4. Since they have 'speculated' that the Higgs boson has a mass of 115 gigaelectronvolts, they could then speculate that the signal indicated a possible mass of say, WHY not 115 gigaelectronvolts!!!!! 5. Presuming all of the above and other indirect evidence we are lead to speculate that 115 gigaelectronvolts is the mass of Higgs speculation. I don't have a thimble of science compared to these researchers, but I would say man is one step closer to observing and understanding a little bit more of what God created. Just realizing the complexity of matter itself strengthens my faith in God.
I don't get it. Paintings about ID? Interpretive dance? Or maybe, "there were no great artists throughout history, it was actually just God"? God ID'ed Las Meninas.
