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Bush Hits Career Low in Approval

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wnes, Sep 13, 2005.

  1. giddyup

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    <B>vlaurelio

    whats the whole point of going to Afghanistan? wage war on a muslim country & ressurect its drug trade? so its okay to turn Saddam into a martyr?</b>

    Saddam is not a devout Muslim, remember? OBL loathed him.


    <b>are you sure about this? And if Kerry goes to war, do you think he will make the same decisions bush and neocons did? timing, strategy, un involvement, etc..</b>

    We were talking about the equipment and preparedness of the army not the decisions that anyone might make.

    <b>what if the war was unjustified in the first place? what if planning was not done right?</b>

    What if it was justified? Some things are bound to go wrong in a war. There is a determined enemy equally vowing to triumph.

    <b>so being "close" to the disaster is a very good thing?</b>

    What did Bush need in Crawford that he did not have? His rubber boots?

    <b>he should have been honest to the people of the US.. what does he owe brown? </b>

    It was a photo op not a State of FEMA analysis....

    <b>you love america but you're happy the president is doing a worse job??</b>

    I didn't say he was doing a worse job. I was challenging those who assume that any and everyone else would be doing a better, even flawless, job.
     
  2. giddyup

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    I was getting at the fact that if he indeed "failed," America would be in dire jeapordy. You may think he did a lousy, mediocre, good, or great job but all of those fall short of "failed."

    Clinton "failed" to break it off properly with Monica Lewinski (for glynch again).
     
  3. giddyup

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    So what are we driving at here: Bush invented cronyism? He's too young.

    I'm just reporting what they guy said about his hiring of Brown.
     
  4. No Worries

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    By all means, GWB should bomb Pearl Harbor again to spur the economy.
     
  5. giddyup

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    Why do you hate America? :D
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    Not that Bush invented anything. But the point is that Browne's appointment was political and he had no qualifications for the job.

    Nobody is saying Bush is the only person to make political appointments, just that it cost us in human lives, and misery this particular time, and whether he was the first person to do it or the thousandth, people should still take responsibility.
     
  7. giddyup

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    Fine but how do you get from there to him being the dumbest liar we ever had in the White House?
     
  8. No Worries

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    I just love the American economy more!!! :D
     
  9. No Worries

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    That's so 90s.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    I didn't call him the dumbest liar we ever had in the whitehouse.

    He has lied, but I don't believe he's dumb.

    I don't see what either of those has to do with political appointments.
     
  11. giddyup

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    I didn't quote you. I lumped together typical criticisms.

    It has to do with the finger-pointing.

    Bush's guy got caught by nature so Bush is the bad guy when this has been the norm "forever."
     
  12. No Worries

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    The situation called for extraordinary actions from a Bush appointee who was grossly unprepared for the task.
     
  13. No Worries

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    You say finger-pointing and I say accountability.
     
  14. giddyup

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    there would not be nearly the "lack of accountability" if the politicizing were not so vicious.
     
  15. RocketMan Tex

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    I'm a uniter, not a divider.

    Mmmmmmmmmmm...OK.
     
  16. NewYorker

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    Poor poor Bush...I bet if he knew all this would have happened he would have said "unfair! I won't take this job!" The excuses made on his behalf are endless, but let's look at a list of all the poor things that has happened to Bush:

    1. Dot-Com Bubble Bursting. Them darn dot-commers ruined my presidency. Not fair. Guess now i have to cut taxes for the rich and increase spending to get rid of that ugly surplus as well.

    2. September 11th: Not again! Why me? WHY! Why does this keep happening to me. Not Fair! Oh well, guess this time I will have to do more. Cut taxes for the rich again, give everyone else $300, and increase spending. Wait, what's the Cheney - can you say dispose of Saddam Hussein??? Osama bin who?

    3. Iraq War: Not again - I said mission acomplished - what's this quaqmire stuff. And why cry about Osama, we got the real terroist in Saddam. He's the one who has nooks and planned 9/11. He's going to attack us again. What, the intelligence is wrong? No, we are right. What, we didn't find anything? Oh, in that case, why me? Why do I have to get bad information? It's not my fault. It's not fair! I am not responsible for discerning out bad intelligence. My administration is not responsible for asking questions and making sure. It's not up to me to listen to other sources. If one CIA report says weapons - then, hey, I believe it!

    4. Social Security: Hey - I am trying to solve problems. I am a problem solver. I solve problems. Social Security is a problem, and it needs to be solved. So I'm going to solve the problem. I'm going to solve social security, because that's the problem, and I'm going to solve it!

    5. Hurricane Katrina: I take responsibility for the screw-ups of that guy, that guy, and that guy. As president, it's my responsibility what other federal agencies do before a disaster. I'm going to find out how THEY screwed up so it won't happen again. That's how I am taking responsibility. I am not saying I take responsibility for hiring them ;)


    Sorry George - too little too late. You've had a disastrous line of events - some of your own creation and some not. But throughout it all, you've made us the laughing stock of the world and created a divided nation. Where great leaders are "unitiers" like you promised so long ago, crappy leaders are dividers and magnify the mess you are given.

    Thanks for being the crappiest leader I've seen for our country in my life. You are worse then the worst of Carter. He's a president who couldn't handle oil shocks and hostage taking. He was booted. You should be too.
     
  17. giddyup

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    Deal with the facts; name other presidents who have had to deal with so many serious and contentious issues...

    It is you who are slobbering all over yourself to caricature Bush. I see him dealing with issues in a straight-forward manner. I see you politicizing them for your gain.

    What exactly does FEMA do <b>before</b> a disaster?
     
  18. No Worries

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    This is a bit of a cop out. Some of the serious and contentious issues facing GWB are his own d*mn fault: Iraq, Katrina, ...
     
  19. NewYorker

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    Adversity is an acceptable excuse for failure - I like it. Bush should be able to apply for assistance from FEMA for his presidency. It's been a disaster, not his fault - clearly someone should step in and give the guy a hand right?

    Ok, I understand, we can't expect Bush to be Rudy. 9/11 happens, bush runs away to Nebraska after looking blankly at children for 7 minutes, Rudy gets down there and starts managing the crisis. Adversity is an excuse. Yes for Bush, but I'm glad Rudy didn't have to use that excuse. Too bad he's not president. By the way, he's a republican.

    Too bad we don't expect a whole lot from our highest leader in a crisis - well, he's fly up there a few days later and say something nice.

    You called me out man. How did you know about the slobber? Nice one. Actually, there's this chick right next to me - she gives me a well, you can imagine, every time I write anti-bush statements or I piss off a bush-supporter. Hey, now that is some serious gain!

    I don't know - ride Arabian Horses?
     
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    Thankfully, the majority of people who voted in the election of 2004 disagreed with you, and re-elected him with MORE votes than he got the first time.
     

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