This will be his undoing. I mean what the heck does same sex marraige have to do with anything? Let people live their lives however they choose. DD
It's a Red_Jorge, err Herring. Look at the Bunny, Mr. and Mrs. Christian Conservative! Don't think about the fact that your son the Marine, is fighting and maybe dying for a lie. There's a fancy pants that wants to get married!
if you're going to accuse people of lying, could you please give some proof? or are you resting your case on the qualifying "maybe?"
That's a whole other book and you know it. At least admit that the weight of this "issue" pales in comparison to several others facing this nation.
But you, as a man, can marry a woman. A woman can marry a man. But a woman cannot marry another woman. Therefore, you have a right she does not. (And she has one you do not)
Your point is? Women don't have to sign up for selective service. I'd like to see the outrage if they did.
Even if I didn't support same-sex marriages, I don't think the Constitution is the right place to address the issue. Personally, I couldn't care less who marries who. It's none of my business, and I don't see how allowing homosexuals to marry affects my life at all. I don't even see how it affects the institution of marriage. And when I don't see a problem, I come down on the side of more freedom rather than less. So, if that means supporting gay marriage, then so be it. At this point, the President's support for this amendment isn't influencing my Presidential vote, though.
i said so myself, earlier in the thread. but i think the senate report this week has given the lie to the bush lied mantra, and i object to its casual repetition, as if it were fact. if you're going to talk the lying liars talk you ought to be able to back it up...with facts.
Bush did lie, and the report doesn't change that. I've mentioned the facts in the other thread, but I'll lay them out here. Bush claimed Iraq was 6 months away from a nuke. He cited a non-existent IAEA report as his evidence. When it came out that the report didn't exist, it claimed that he was mistaken and meant a different IAEA report. It turned out that the 2nd report didn't exist either. Finally the third time Bush mentioned a report which might back up his statement. He said that it was the report he had meant to cite from the beginning. The only problems is that the report didn't even exist when Bush made his initial statement. So even Bush was looking at a report and merely wrong about which report it was, Bush and his team lied when trying to explain that. He LIED. Even if there was a report that was around that backed up Bush's claim, he still LIED when he kept making up other reports and claimed they were what he was referring to. Other members of his administration have been caught lying like Dick Cheney claiming he never said something, only to have a clip of him saying the exact words he said he never uttered played on television. Condi Rice lied about the aluminum tubes, Rumsfeld lied when he said he knew where the WMD's were and pointed them out on a map. Now even if most of the statements made were just mistakes, it only goes to prove that critics of the war were correct when they said it was better to pursue all possible options before committing lives and the money in starting a war. Not taking the time to make sure of the facts is pure not good leadership or sound decision making with the gravest of all consequences as a result. I think much of the time they were relying on faulty intel, but there were definitely instances when they LIED. In the end they did both.
That being against homosexual marriage is discrimination based on seX? As far as SS, maybe we should?
If anyone signs up for selective service, then women should as well. I'm for anything that prevents a return to the Draft, and this would be another impediment. So sure, bring it on. "Personally, I couldn't care less who marries who. It's none of my business, and I don't see how allowing homosexuals to marry affects my life at all. I don't even see how it affects the institution of marriage. And when I don't see a problem, I come down on the side of more freedom rather than less. So, if that means supporting gay marriage, then so be it." -posted by mrpaige This sums up my feelings on the subject nicely. As far as what Bush is doing with said subject, it's all politics, baby. Just an attempt to lock in one of his core constituencies. I think it's a blunder and a cynical ploy, but when did that ever stop him??
i am somewhat against homosexuality and to my knowledge it is an abomination to man - however - i am truly unable to judge them - because it depends if they "choose" it or are "born" that way - and i honestly believe it happens both ways. I mean, some choose to rebel and flame, while others simply are born that way. So i honestly try and stay away from that issue. They should have the right to live the way they want and get married if they want -- however, i just don't want an uncovered erected penis anywhere close to me, and that is my personal decision. They have their right, I have mine. Bush is trying to get votes from the Christians - however, I think this is a cheap way to target an audience - going on one issue and making a big deal of it.
You're in luck. To the best of my knowledge there is not a single gay person -- nor has there EVER been -- who is arguing for a right to put an "uncovered erected penis anywhere close to" anyone who doesn't want it there. I have no idea whatsoever what that has to do with gay rights, since most women don't want a stranger's penis near them either. I know that the most extreme homophobes are worried that gay marriage will lead to rampant uncovered penises in their faces, but I'm guessing you're not a homophobe so I have no idea why you even brought this up. I am, however, happy to put you at ease. I have a lot of gay friends and I'm pretty sure they don't want their bare, erect penises near you either.
Oh really 3814, no schlong proximity for you? Well consider yourself uninvited to my 2 man Britney Spears/Lindsey Lohan/ Maria Sharupova/Tyra Banks/Heidi Klum/Paris Hilton/Jennifer Connelly gang bang, you wouldn't like it that much. You have your rights, I have mine.
