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Bush failure is complete: Al Qaida back to 9/11 strength

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  1. NewYorker

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070712/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_terror_threat

    U.S. intel warns al-Qaida has rebuilt By KATHERINE SHRADER and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers
    5 minutes ago



    WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned.

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    The conclusion suggests that the network that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

    Still, numerous government officials say they know of no specific, credible threat of a new attack on U.S. soil.

    A counterterrorism official familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment called it a stark appraisal to be discussed at the White House on Thursday as part of a broader meeting on an upcoming National Intelligence Estimate.

    The official and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the secret report remains classified.

    Counterterrorism analysts produced the document, titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West." The document focuses on the terror group's safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.

    Al-Qaida is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."

    The group also has created "the most robust training program since 2001, with an interest in using European operatives," the official quoted the report as saying.

    At the same time, this official said, the report speaks of "significant gaps in intelligence" so U.S. authorities may be ignorant of potential or planned attacks.

    John Kringen, who heads the CIA's analysis directorate, echoed the concerns about al-Qaida's resurgence during testimony and conversations with reporters at a House Armed Services Committee hearing on Wednesday.

    "They seem to be fairly well settled into the safe haven and the ungoverned spaces of Pakistan," Kringen testified. "We see more training. We see more money. We see more communications. We see that activity rising."

    The threat assessment comes as the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies prepare a National Intelligence Estimate focusing on threats to the United States. A senior intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity while the high-level analysis was being finalized, said the document has been in the works for roughly two years.

    Kringen and aides to National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell would not comment on the details of that analysis. "Preparation of the estimate is not a response to any specific threat," McConnell's spokesman Ross Feinstein said, adding that it would probably be ready for distribution this summer.

    Counterterrorism officials have been increasingly concerned about al-Qaida's recent operations. This week, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said he had a "gut feeling" that the United States faced a heightened risk of attack this summer.

    Kringen said he wouldn't attach a summer time frame to the concern. In studying the threat, he said he begins with the premise that al-Qaida would consider attacking the U.S. a "home run hit" and that the easiest way to get into the United States would be through Europe.

    The new threat assessment puts particular focus on Pakistan, as did Kringen.

    "Sooner or later you have to quit permitting them to have a safe haven" along the Afghan-Pakistani border, he told the House committee. "At the end of the day, when we have had success, it is when you've been able to get them worried about who was informing on them, get them worried about who was coming after them."

    Several European countries — among them Britain, Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands — are also highlighted in the threat assessment partly because they have arrangements with the Pakistani government that allow their citizens easier access to Pakistan than others, according to the counterterrorism official.

    This is more troubling because all four are part of the U.S. visa waiver program, and their citizens can enter the United States without additional security scrutiny, the official said.

    The report also notes that al-Qaida has increased its public statements, although analysts stressed that those video and audio messages aren't reliable indicators of the actions the group may take.

    The Bush administration has repeatedly cited al-Qaida as a key justification for continuing the fight in Iraq.

    "The No. 1 enemy in Iraq is al-Qaida," White House press secretary Tony Snow said Wednesday. "Al-Qaida continues to be the chief organizer of mayhem within Iraq, the chief organization for killing innocent Iraqis."

    The findings could bolster the president's hand at a moment when support on Capitol Hill for the war is eroding and the administration is struggling to defend its decision for a military buildup in Iraq. A progress report that the White House is releasing to Congress this week is expected to indicate scant progress on the political and military benchmarks set for Iraq.

    The threat assessment says that al-Qaida stepped up efforts to "improve its core operational capability" in late 2004 but did not succeed until December of 2006 after the Pakistani government signed a peace agreement with tribal leaders that effectively removed government military presence from the northwest frontier with Afghanistan.

    The agreement allows Taliban and al-Qaida operatives to move across the border with impunity and establish and run training centers, the report says, according to the official.

    It also says that al-Qaida is particularly interested in building up the numbers in its middle ranks, or operational positions, so there is not as great a lag in attacks when such people are killed.

    "Being No. 3 in al-Qaida is a bad job. We regularly get to the No. 3 person," Tom Fingar, the top U.S. intelligence analyst, told the House panel.

    The counterterror official said the report does not focus on al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, his whereabouts or his role in the terrorist network. Officials say al-Qaida has become more like a "family-oriented" mob organization with leadership roles in cells and other groups being handed from father to son, or cousin to uncle.

    Yet bin Laden's whereabouts are still of great interest to intelligence agencies. Although he has not been heard from for some time, Kringen said officials believe he is still alive and living under the protection of tribal leaders in the border area.

    Armed Services Committee members expressed frustration that more was not being done to get bin Laden and tamp down activity in the tribal areas. The senior intelligence analysts tried to portray the difficulty of operating in the area despite a $25 million bounty on the head of bin Laden and his top deputy.

    "They are in an environment that is more hostile to us than it is to al-Qaida," Fingar said.

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    Associated Press writer Deb Riechmann contributed to this report.
     
  2. NewYorker

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    If Al Qaida again succeeds in attacking us, Bush will probably invade Iran next.
     
  3. ROXRAN

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    Let's hope Bush is long gone...
     
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    A 4th front for the tururists to bring it on?
     
  5. CometsWin

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    Iran with nukes, Iraq in a shambles, Bin Laden still at large, and Al-Qaida back to full strength. Now that's what you call a legacy.
     
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    If I were in the president's position and were completely amoral, I would be pulling out the "Operation Northwoods" playbook right about now. A major terrorist attack is about the only thing that I can think of that would allow him to regain some degree of effectiveness.

    In this instance I have to wonder if "The official and others [who] spoke on condition of anonymity" might be part of a specific effort to try and regain some momentum by 'all the president's men'.
     
  7. nyquil82

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    So, who's name on the DC Madam's list is so big that the administration is announcing a fearmongering report to divert the population? I'm gonna guess Cheney.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    Every Bush-ite should be required to write "Bush is a complete failure" 10,000 times on a chalkboard.
     
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    Don't buy into the hype, guys, "Al-Qaida" (if one assumes that it still exists as a fully-functional, structured organization and not a mere 'idea' or 'slogan' for 'global Jihadists') is NOT at 9/11 strength, not even close.

    The original Al-Qaida organization amounts to little more than 'the voice' these days, other smaller, regional groups are the ones carrying on the fight, and in most cases wherever the opportunity presents itself (Iraq, Afghanistan, the on-going 'blowback' inside Britain itself, Kurdish terrorism against Turkey, etc).
     
  10. jo mama

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    i think they already did that 6 years ago.

    now we have the republican chairman from arkansas and rick santorum saying that we need terrorist attacks to get the american people behind bush. makes you wonder what these douchebags know.

    people like basso like to go around saying that people who are against bush are supporting the terrorists and hoping for our troops to get killed to make bush look bad, but here are republican leaders hoping for terrorist attacks and more american deaths in order to make bush look good.
     
  11. MadMax

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    How many other dorks out there thought of Darth Vader while reading the thread title?
     
  12. NewYorker

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    The article is talking about Bin Laden's team and the Taliban, not the global network...
     
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    thats an interesting point. I wonder how much is actualy a true al-qaida contengent and how much is actually just a radical fringe who loosely attached themselves to al-qaida. also, level of actual expertise would be interesting


    Now you will the the POWER of this fully functional al-qaida
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    Ironically, it's Bush and the conservatives who exaggerated Al Qaida as the all powerful all connected "SPECTRE" type world terrorist organization, but in the article, they are clearly talking about the reformation of the remants of what was originally in Afganistan.

    They have learned to adopt and thrive under the current situation. Imagine if we had those 150K troops hunting down Bin Laden and Alqaeda instead of in Iraq creating "Al Qaida in Iraq".
     
  15. ima_drummer2k

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    Al Queda will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.

    Impossible, you say? How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy, you ask?

    The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station.


    [​IMG]
     
  16. DonkeyMagic

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    imagine if al-qaida made its bombs out of roses..what if doesnt really help. The hands been dealt, you move forward from now.
     
  17. Nolen

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    Say it with me: Accountability.
     
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    Simply "moving forward" is a ridiculous thing to say when it is the Bush Administration who "dealt the hands". They could have crushed UBL and his lackeys more effectively, but didn't, and now they're back.
     
  19. DonkeyMagic

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    i was just pointing out that saying " IF were were in afghan..", "if bush wasnt president...", IF IF IF...doesnt help the present
     
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    That is only for poor people
    not the ruling Elite

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