Bush continues to work towards complete destruction of the GOP

How many of Bill Gates employees have publicly funded educations?

How many of them drive to work on publicly funded roads?

How much of his money has been made in a publicly regulated marketplace?

How much of his money is safeguarded by publicly funded law enforcement?

That's just the beginning -- as Bald Bob noted, the very interweb itself on which we are posting is largely a public creation.

Bill Gates has derived more benefit from public intiatives than you or I ever have, which is one of the reasons why he recognizes this and is in the process of redistributing his own wealth.


I can't think of citizens who benefit more from having a stable society than the super-rich. Society's winners are winners because the government has set forth STABLE background conditions enabling them to succeed. This is not the default condition of human socieites, in case you hadn't noticed.

In the absence of a government that does this, then you have a situation like Darfur or Baghdad - in which case guys like Buffet and Gates are murdered by whoever has the most guns.

 

What illegal war?

And there is a difference between war making powers and welfare powers.

 

I think there is a little more to it than that.

 

Can you elaborate? Thx

 

This solution isn't without problems by the way.

If you extend what basically is medicaid to middle class families, are we basically having gov't healthcare compete with private healthcare?

And let me ask you something, do we really want to put middle class families on medicaid?

Bush probably vetoed this bill because insurance companies would freak out.

We need a way for this bill to be structured to make health care for children obtainable, but not necessarily gov't provided health care. That's a flaw in this bill.

Whether or not it should pass though...it's tough to say.

 

The health of a society is tied directly to the health of its people.

In taking care of those least fortunate IMO you take care of yourselves
If we go with the survival of the fittest mentality that some want
Don't b*tch when the kid you did not give a sh*t about .. kills your kid
Don't B*tch when the kid you did not give a sh*t about .. gives you kid AIDS
Don't B*tch when the kid you did not give a sh*t about .. Spreads a disease that takes out all your workers and you go bankrupt

and Ounce of Prevent beats a Pound of cure.

If the most successful among us don't give a sh*t . . . then
when the consequences of their inaction comes to their door. . they should just take their medicine as well

Healthcare IMO should be a pro-active thing.
By making it Re-Active. . it is more Expensive and more Dangerous

Rocket River

 

Would these be the same companies that said . . if we put in Tort reform . . they would lower the Rates. . . . yet Rates have Sky Rocketed

Rocket River

 

Oh...I missed the part where Congress voted not to fund a war and Bush and his minions privately funded it.

 

Well what some of us are trying to figure out is what exactly the expansion entails. I've read some places that this gives access to people who don't need to be living off my dime as well as access to some adults. That's why I said I don't know what to make of this veto because I don't understand what the bill would actually do. I have asked for someone in this thread to explain to me what the expansion would actually do and no one has.

 

This bill will get passed, but not in it's current form. It needs to be reworked so it doesn't syphon of people from private insurance, that's why Bush vetoed it.

It actually makes sense ya know. You want to provide insurance to those who don't have it, not move people from private to gov't. I think the White House and Congress will figure it out.

Also, both sides are posturing. Bush has to veto it, but he knows he has to pass it eventually or Republicans will get crucified. Same with the Dems, right now they are trying to build political capital, but they have to compromise and get something signed because otherwise people will just think the dems can't get anything done.

So it will happen, this is just part of the process.

 

That's not entirely clear at this point. They already have the votes in the Senate to override the veto. They need 15 more votes in the House - but plenty of people didn't vote in the first bill, so it's not clear whether they could pull that off yet. This is not just a Dems vs. GOP issue. A decent number of GOP members support thing too.

 

Similarly, I worked for a Congressman in the 1980's (1980's!) who pushed DARPA to work on HDTV technology and was able to appropriate a good sum of money for them to do so.

 

i worked with a similar group that was conducting experiments with electomagnetism and polar bears on a remote island.

 

It's about time Bush showed some spending restraint.

 

Yes building roads is something appropriate for the government, as would be firefighting in the similar vein. Public education is a joke in this country anyway and shows similar characteristics as its flawed system, because it is an inherant sickness.
Our education system is designed to create an obediant workforce. We have many many more special ed programs, than gifted and talented programs. Our public schools are diluted toilets of underpayed teachers, while the private schools are more functional but are decried as unfair. Kids graduate and they are barely literate or they say "US Americans."
Our colleges and their tuitions are skyrocketing and the US has fallen greatly in the amounts of Engineers and Math and Science based career field graduates.

The government has not provided a grand public education system and that myth should be stomped and stomped hard.

 

It is really amazing how such a self-evident reality has to be explained over and over again and still those that don't want to see it, never will.

 

Well, for me that means the public education system needs to be improved not scrapped. But I have a feeling that people in power do want us to be sheep, so they won't do anything about it.