Bush continues to work towards complete destruction of the GOP

Dude, you need to lose some weight. You're more like King Bleeched Whale!

By the way, i seriously doubt you got a phD in anything.

 

Well thank you for sharing all of your thoughts. They are really illuminating and quite a service to humanity. Perhaps you should start a blog so the world can benefit from your great sight.

 

I'm responding to your freak out on a basketball bbs. I'm not pretending to enlighten the world or humanity or anything of the sort. It's pretty simple and straight forward.

 

I think you're freaking out though. Ya know FB, I only call you out on your stuff because i want you to grow as a person. You should look at what you are doing here and ask yourself why you are responsing to my "freak out".

Says something about you that I can see, and many others can see, but can you see it?

This is why I decided to take all of you off ignore....i realized that I had to confront you all and help you. I was especially amazed to see the numerous posts for so long by many of the same folks i've called out who have continouslly been trying to debase me. Their passion to do this is at first comical but than i feel responsible for it.

I've done you all a disservice by hitting those nerves and making you angry. so now i'm going to try to help you be showing you that the very fact you're getting angry, that you are so concerned with a person you know nothing about - has to force you to look deep inside yourself and deal with those issues you must be carrying inside you. take this as a chance to grow and find some true peace of mind.

 

yeah right. I'm freaking out, that's why I've been trying to attack everyone in these threads.

 

i didn't think you were attacking anyone but me.

As for me, I am only responding to people who post to me. but i am avoiding attacking the idiots, except for a select few who need to be pushed into getting a bit angrier. i can't wait to see them explode!

 

FB, NewYorker has 50 posts in this thread, the majority about, you guessed it, NewYorker. I'm more interested in how Bush continues to work towards "the complete destruction" of the GOP. It is really quite remarkable.

Here's a curiosity. If you look at who has been defending Bush, basso has 5 posts and DonkeyMagic has 5. Sorry, B-Bob, but I can't help it. Check this out. basso has really been dialing it in...

(since it was the most effort I could find, I'll post who it was in response to...)

Then we have NewYorker, with all due respect, posting 50 times, most of them concerning himself. Easily more than twice the number by the nearest in quantity, by that wild radical, mc mark.




D&D. Impeach Bush for Promoting Torture.

 

Hey Deck, I'm only responding to posts about me. See what happens when I take all those guys of ignore.

But I don't agree that Donkey Magic is defending Bush - really this is about the future of health care and not about Bush who is irrelevant.

People forget that most of the republican party and all the candidates for president were against this bill, and for some legitimate reasons.

 

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Nevermind. It's already been pointed out.

 

I was just surprised at the number. As for the bill, it has been proven cost effective to provide healthcare to children, because it helps prevent more serious, costly diseases when they get older. And that's putting aside the morality of allowing millions of children, or millions of Americans, over 45 million, to go without health insurance. A lot of the children without health insurance are children in middle class families, where the main wage earner lost a job that provided health insurance at a reasonable cost to that person and his/her family. These aren't people trying to mooch off the government. These are tax paying people, trying to pay their mortgage and the rest of the bills that come with being an average family.

I can give you an example. One of my best friends, who has a high income, but does a lot of work from his home and is essentially running his own business (financial consultant, etc., making 6 figures), recently moved back to Austin from Boston, where the state has a form of "universal coverage." Texas has a "pool" of insurance for people who don't have access to insurance coverage through their work. It really is a joke, and my friend's situation can illustrate it. There are 5 levels of coverage, and the cost is, to a large degree, dependent on the types and number of medical conditions you might have. My friend has a variety of medical conditions, none all that serious, as long as he takes medication for them. The first 4 levels are relatively reasonable, although if you had to pay for more than yourself, they would not be. In his case, the 4th level was around $370-390 a month. The 5th level, the one remaining option, and I am not making this up, was right around $2500 dollars a month. Maybe even $2800. (can't recall exactly) I saw the figures. He makes a very good income, but it fluctuates, and he was taken aback at the number. His health insurance in Massachusetts was easy to get, and a tiny fraction of what he's looking at here.

In other words, the system in Texas is gamed to keep people with health conditions that require regular medications uninsured. And it had nothing to do with his income. Chew on that.




D&D. impeach Bush for Promoting Torture.

 

Thank you for suggesting a return to the topic, which is infinitely more interesting than the tit-for-tats. Whereas Bush has certainly not helped the Republican cause, I don't think the premise is any more accurate that saying "MoveOn.Org continues to work toward complete destruction of the Democratic Party." Neither have helped their respective presidential candidates with Middle America.

D&D. Ban MoveOn.Org for Promoting Tarts & Torts.

 

Health care will always be a problematic issue. But to be sure, I do support basic health care services to all Americans. However, I do have concerns about how to execute it.

In order to make health care work for 300 million people, a broken system must be fixed first. I do not think we can afford to provide health insurance to 45 million Americans without significant taxes - something that will never happen in this country. Let's be realistic.

So how do you acheive universal health coverage? We know these funds are not going to work. And taxing individuals and businesses may put a damper on an econonmy that's unknown. How much damage has Iraq done to our economic well-being?

I think we need more creative solutions. Some way to incentivize hospitals to treat poor children who do not have health insurance by giving them tax breaks and other benefits.

I'm all for getting health coverage to kids - but to what degree? And how do we make sure that families who can afford private insurance just don't switch? Perhaps proposing that only those who have gone without insurance for at least 6 months are eligible (not including COBRA). I also think that we need a program to focus on preventive care for all American children. Child Obsesity has reach ridiculous levels.

 

MoveOn.org has produced more than its fair share of embarrassing moments for the Democratic Party. No, they are not the Democratic Party, but in the eyes of the general public they have been painted as such, to a degree, by the able work of Mr. Rove and company. I think there is a huge difference, thumbs, between MoveOn and Bush. One is a PAC that represents just a fraction of the Democratic Party, and the other is President of the United States.

That Bush never saw a spending bill, or any other bill, during almost the entirety of his presidency that he considered worth vetoing, yet would veto this bill, a bill that is widely supported by the public and Congress, does do damage to the GOP. In my opinion, a great deal of damage. In districts where GOP Congresspersons (gotta be PC! ) were elected to their first term, in districts where there are open seats previously held by the GOP, and in districts that were close in the last election, Democrats being able to run "for children" by trumpeting this veto are going to benefit. If it's close, it could tip the election for the Democrat.

That's just using this particular example. Bush is an albatross around the necks of GOP candidates in '08. I think we will see large gains in the House. Perhaps not enough to make it "veto-proof" for the Democrats, but it may be enough to cause GOP moderates worrying about their seats to vote for bills they wouldn't have dreamed of supporting not long ago. I'm even more optimistic for the Senate.

Bush is not helping his party. Of course, he hasn't been a real conservative since he was "elected" in 2000, nor has he been the "compassionate conservative" he ran as that year. It just took some time for the American people to figure that out. The majority want a change, and every time Bush does something like this veto, it reaffirms that in the minds of millions who have been "Reagan Republicans" for the last many years. I know several that say they are going to vote Democratic this time around, and they always mention Bush first as the reason.

In my opinion, of course.



D&D. Impeach Bush for Promoting Torture.

 

Concur on several of your points. I myself am an example of a Republican working for a Democratic nominee -- knowing full well that neither of my candidates (Huckabee and Richardson) will win their respective campaigns.

However, I chose MoveOn as an example because the Democrats have no counterpoint to Bush -- there is only one President. What face do I put on the Dems -- Hilary, Obama, Edwards, etc.? None of them have yet earned the right to be the "face."

There are several real issues looming: 1) the economy 2) immigration 3) health care and 4) terrorism/war. Actually, they are interrelated, but for the moment let's leave them as separate issues.

Bush has been farther to the left than Bill Clinton on the economy despite the hackneyed "tax cuts for the rich" mantra. Conservatives (as opposed to Republicans) have been taken aback by this. This is especially true over the immigration issue, which will eventually cost far more than the Iraq war.

Incidentally, only Richardson has pledged an immmediate pullout from Iraq and Afghanistan. I disagree with this, but I still support him because of his other stances and credentials. I tried to bait mc mark with this, but he ignored me and hurt my feelings, the little radical. However, many conservatives like me want better solutions as to an exit strategy than have been proposed. Personally, I favor keeping the air bases in the desert and dividing Iraq into three parts.

Well, we need to be very careful about who wins the Democratic presidential nod because that person will be President. I pray it is not Hilary. I've seen enough of a fractious America.

 

It's true that the Democrats don't have a "face" comparable to Bush. Good lord, Reid and Pelosi certainly don't qualify. The "giants" the Democrats had in Congress in the past (or the GOP... where are the Everett Dirksens?) seem to be an endangered species, if not extinct. Just to name some Texans, you had Sam Rayburn, LBJ, Ralph Yarborough (a liberal Texas senator... I loved it!), Lloyd Bentsen, men who made an impact you may not have always agreed with, but they towered over Democrats of today. Jack Kennedy and Clinton, for all their faults, make those running today look like chopped liver. Obama can't debate, but can give a speech. Hillary can't give a speech, but does well in debates. Candidates like Richardson (and Huckabee) haven't the access to the funds needed to mount a credible campaign, unless they somehow "catch fire." So I agree about the lack of a "face" of the Democratic Party. Not sure which "face" we'll face, but I hope whoever wins is a real "uniter" and not a divider, unlike the serial liar (or clueless and grossly incompetent, unaware of the reality around him) we have in the White House.

Guess we'll have to see how things play out. No Carter, Dukakis, or Kerry need apply.



D&D. Impeach Bush for Promoting Torture.

 

Giuliani Romney Obama Hillary

These people are a big part of our problem.

All I see is more debt, more taxation, more out of control Federal bureaucracy. More of the same.

I am so frustrated with politics.

Vote for Ron Paul.

 

More and more people hate this war...

 

bush picked the wrong fight this time...

35 billion over 5 years to help kids

we have sunk 450 billion into the war already. plus another 190 billion that bush is asking for. thats 12 billion a month! (400 million a day, 16.7 million per hour, $287000 per minute)...

if bush is gonna spend like a big tymer y not go all the way...

"quater tank of gas, in my new e-class. aint got to job, but thats alright. eh-eh eh-eh"