Bush changes strategy -- will call for independent counsel on WMD-----

That 420 is out of 1219 respondents, a little over a third.

 

Does anybody think ron412 or ron414 is anywhere near as annoying as ron413?

 

Lets take a poll Only people who somewhat agree with what I am saying can vote just like in many polls.

 

so it is....

 

I wonder why they left out the number of Republican voters they contacted for the poll? That is strange. Very strange. Showing the number of democrats by itself seems somewhat useful if you are into that kind of stuff by itself. I mean who really cares about the republican stats anyway.

Oh well, everything appears to be on the up and up with this poll. Must have been a small omission by the editor maybe?

 

I wonder why they left out the number of Republican voters they contacted for the poll? That is strange. Very strange.

It's not strange at all if you actually read the poll and understand polling. There was no part of the poll that was related to Republican-only voters. There was, however, a portion of the poll directed to Democrats:

<I>
Kerry had 30 percent of Democratic primary voters in a pre-New Hampshire January 26 national poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

In this latest survey, Kerry gets 42 percent of Democrats to Howard Dean’s 11 percent, followed by North Carolina Sen. John Edwards and former Gen. Wesley Clark with 10 percent each and Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman with 6 percent. No other candidate tops 5 percent, with 14 percent undecided.
</I>

And therefore, professional responsibility would suggest they need to state the sample size and error margin for that section of the results.

You're not very familiar with the polling industry and the science behind it, are you? You seem really desperate to find distortions in a pretty straightforward scientific poll.

 

Dear Major-

Very nice to meet you on this wonderful February day.
It is with a sense of patriotic duty that I am writing to let you know that there will only be one college that will determine the 2004 Presidential Election.

Thank you very much,

Ron 413

 

Dear Ron 413

It sucks to lose a pissing contest, but it appears as if Major just soiled you.

Clean yourself up and stop rolling around in it.

 

I don't think Major answered anything, just some nerdy excuse for poll followers.

Bush has a sound gameplan for managing the numbers of the one and only college results that mean anything.

 

Rasmussen has Kerry over Bush 46-44 and an unnamed Dem winning 49-42 over Bush.

http://rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

Newsweek has Kerry over Bush 46-44 too, with Bush's approval ratings at an all-time low.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4120028/

And that's before the results of the three commissions/investigations/grand juries (9/11, WMD's, Plame) which each has a direct bearing on our national security.

 

And in other news, ron keeps talking but he still hasn't said anything. Probably why 80% of his threads are cut and pasted from the Chronicle sports section.

 

Didn't know where else to put this. It really is amazing.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2094746/

Bushism of the Day
By Jacob Weisberg
Posted Monday, Feb. 2, 2004, at 8:14 AM PT

"I was a prisoner too, but for bad reasons."—To Argentine President Nestor Kirchner, on being told that all but one of the Argentine delegates to a summit meeting were imprisoned during the military dictatorship, Monterrey, Mexico, Jan. 13, 2004

 

Wait, who's been a BBS poster longer?

 

All I am saying is that what I am saying is what I am saying.

What do you have to say about that?

 

From what I've seen, they plan on trying to fold the current 9/11 commission ( which has an even number of members ) to this new commision ( with an odd number of members so they can stack it one in there favor ) in order to delay the 9/11 investigation.

 

I say this site has about 15,000 members and serious bandwidth issues. Stop wasting server space.

 

So Bush wants to pick who is on his "independent" panel like he did with Plame and 9/11...

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Bush to pick panel for WMD inquiry

Daschle questions whether commission will be independent

From John King
CNN Washington Bureau
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/02/sprj.nirq.iraq.wmd/index.html


WASHINGTON (CNN) --President Bush said Monday he would appoint a presidential commission to review U.S. intelligence on the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Responding to political pressure, Bush told reporters at a Cabinet meeting he wanted to look at prewar intelligence and the findings of the Iraq Survey Group -- the U.S. team hunting for weapons programs in the country.

"We also want to look at our war against proliferation and weapons of mass destruction in a broader context," Bush said. "So I'm putting together an independent, bipartisan commission to analyze where we stand, what we can do better as we fight this war against terror."

A senior administration official said Monday that Bush will name the members of the commission. The official said the president had consulted some "appropriate" members of Congress about the appointments.

The panel also will be charged with exploring the quality of intelligence gathering relating to the challenges of weapons proliferation and "outlaw regimes" that preside over closed societies, administration sources said.

"[The president] wants it to be more broad than Iraq," an official said. "The president's view is there are a number of challenges for our intelligence community on the issues of weapons of mass destruction, and we need to look at the broader issue of closed societies and outlaw regimes and our capabilities to gather necessary intelligence."

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-South Dakota, questioned the president's description of the commission.

"I think that it is important for us to have an independent commission, as I've said now on several occasions, but it truly should be independent," Daschle said.

"It sounds as if the president is going to call for one where he gets to appoint each of the members and dictate the design and ultimately the circumstances under which they do their work."

Bush told reporters he wanted to talk to David Kay, the former head of the Iraq Survey Group, before moving forward with the commission.

The two men lunched at the White House later Monday, said White House spokesman Scott McClellan, calling the meeting "constructive."

Kay told a Senate panel last week that his group hasn't found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and said he didn't believe significant stockpiles of banned weapons would be found.

"It turns out we were all wrong, and that is most disturbing," Kay said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing during which he called for an independent probe of the apparent intelligence failure.

Bush announced the decision Monday after a reporter asked whether Americans were "owed an explanation about the intelligence failure before the election."

The president said, "First of all, I want to know all the facts. ... We know he [Saddam Hussein] was a danger. ... He slaughtered thousands of people, imprisoned people. What we don't know yet is what we thought and what the Iraqi Survey Group has found."

McClellan also defended the decision to go to war but said a broad look at U.S. intelligence was required to address the threat of weapons of mass destruction.

"We got it right that Saddam Hussein was a grave and gathering threat," McClellan said. "We got it right that he had the intention and capability. He was a threat. We got it right, and it was the right decision to remove him from power."

McClellan would not give a timetable for the commission to issue its findings.

"It is important that the commission's work is done in a way where it doesn't become embroiled in partisan politics," he said.

The president is expected to sign an executive order creating the new commission.

Senior administration officials said earlier that Bush would set a deadline of early to mid-2005 in an effort to defuse the controversy as an election-year issue.

Many previous panels -- including the one looking into possible intelligence lapses leading up to the September 11, 2001, attacks -- have been appointed through a compromise in which the president names some members and congressional leaders pick others.

Initially, the White House rejected calls from Kay and lawmakers for an independent review of prewar intelligence on Iraq. But with political pressure mounting, Vice President Dick Cheney began making calls last week to key members of Congress to explore potential compromises.

Bush began considering such a review last week and made his final decision over the weekend, the senior official said.

White House staff members have been instructed to review procedures for staffing and sharing information with the panel -- an issue that has caused conflict with the 9/11 commission.

"The [new] group will have access to everything it needs," a senior official said Sunday. "We are working to find a way to make it work properly."

 

rather hilarious correction in the SFChronicle, given the insitence of many here that bush sid Iraq was an "imminent threat."

" A story Thursday about weapons inspector David Kay's Senate testimony incorrectly quoted President Bush as saying before the war in Iraq that Iraq posed an "imminent threat'' to the United States. The president never used the word imminent. In the months before the war, the president in speeches and appearances described the "threat'' posed by Saddam Hussein and Iraq in a variety of ways, including "serious,'' "grave'' and "terrible.''"

 

Semantics. It doesn't change the fact that the Administration was selectively using intelligence.

 

Hey buddy- Just because you misinterpreted a joke towards your BBS hero MacBeth, dont' take your frustrations out on me. If Clutch wants me to pipe down, then I will respect his authority and pipe the freak down.