The heisman means nothing, jason white won it and he was not even drafted. He was "the best college player coming out". Bush is considered first becuase he is arguably the best prospect in the draft.
The game is about making positive yards, which in turn gives you a better chance to score points. Young created more yards against a terrible A&M pass defense than Bush did against a terrible Arizona run defense.
you think the heisman is something the texans are even thinking about when evaluating bush and young? both players had great season and pro scouts don't need to see an award to justify their evaluations. i honestly would be happy with either guy but the biggest factor in the debate is not the heisman, it's the fact that vince is a hometown guy that went to texas. if he was from florida and just won the rose bowl as a gator 80% or possibly more of the draft vince or die crowd would not be around.
Wrong Bush should be rewarded for having a great game and carrying his team to the victory. His defense being bad is not a reward, it was another problem for him to deal with.
It was no more amazing than Vince's game at Oklahoma State, except that the announcers did not spend a month hyping that game afterwards. And that excuse Fresno collapsed after USC holds little to no weight and can't be proven. They had a chance at their outright conference title and lost two straight, then to Tulsa in the bowl game. They did not just quit after USC, at least that would be sad for Fresno as a program period.
Carrying his team to victory? Mr. Clutch... err, Bush, fumbled a kickoff on his own 15-yard line in the fourth quarter to give Fresno State the lead in the biggest game of his life. He then compounded the error by committing a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on the next kickoff. His defense being bad, however, is still a reward. If Bush had Texas' defense, for example, the game likely would not have been as close, and then he would not have been credited for "dealing with the problem" and "carrying his team to the victory", would he?
And that is a large part of the case to draft Vince. If you have two very good players available, quarterbacks are inherently more valuable.
What did that have to do with anything? Vince had a great game vs Colorado in little over one half of action that same day.
"if" does not matter, if vince was on the aggies he would not have sniffed the heisman He then came back and made a clutch catch and run, right after the penalty. And the fumble is no different then a turnover vince had against osu.
Nice diversion from the obvious fact that Bush not having a defense was the main factor in his Heisman campaign. And yes, Bush's fumble was very different. Vince didn't turn the ball over with only 6 point lead in the fourth quarter and on his own 15-yard line. It's a little different when it's in the first quarter and first half.
What the hell does that mean? Anyways I am not going to argue about the heisman anymore. Reggie won it fair and square. A record breaking landslide vote. The only reason I started with this was because of the idiot who said we wanted bush because of the heisman. He also said that espn got him the heisman. Both were great college players with questions marks going into the pros. In my opinion Bush will be a better pro than Vince. Vince seems like too big of a risk in my opinion due to him never taking snaps under center or forced to put the ball in tight spots.
1) I gave a hypothetical situation. If Vince had the Heisman(which eliminates a lot of the reggie hype quite frankly) on top of how things played out, not to mention his houston roots, it is more than fair to wonder if the team/fans would be having this debate. Personally, I don't think they would. 2) ESPN heavily influenced the Heisman voting. The ridiculous margin of victory proves it. It was A) debatable Bush was better B) and Vince was decently ahead in all the straw polls pre Fresno State. That margin of victory came from the Fresno State game, and all the attention Bush received because of it. The Gale Sayers comparisons didn't come out in full force until after Fresno. Heck, in an article published after the Fresno game Darren Woodson on SI.com(former NFL safety) said Bush was the best player this year in both college and the NFL. After Fresno, Vince would have needed Reggie to bomb vs UCLA and to have the type of game he did have vs Colorado in the big 12 title game. That was unlikely, and it didn't happen.
Yes, and Bush showed he was clearly better during the Rose Bowl, by making stupid laterals and not even being on the field for crucial 4th downs. I think it's kind of sad when my QB has more rushing yards than your Heisman RB.
1. Your Point 1 was the worse thing the bbs has seen since i argued reggie mcneal vs young. 2. How do we know who influences the voting (again this is just bitterness)? You do realize that the fresno game really happened right? Espn did not just make up the highlights and stats, or play clips of a video game. When players do amazing things , it makes espn. Speaking of bombing thats exactly what vince did against A&M. This was the game after the fresno game, it was his chance to shine against the worse defense in football. What happened (he stunk up the place)? Turnovers, overthrows,sacks. Reggie then sealed it by having a similar game against ucla.
