yea remember that time when vince put the ball in that tight spot. Yes i do remember THAT TIME, it was so rare I actually know exactly which play you are talking about
you know because it won the 2nd biggest game of the year. honestly, now...how often did you watch UT this year? seriously. be honest. go back and watch the championship game....he did put the ball in tight spots when he needed to. he had the luxury of not having to force it too often because of his legs, admittedly.
1) No, it wasn't. If you think that Reggie Bush and the hype that came with him in the process of winning the Heisman trophy is not an instrumental factor in him still being heavily involved in the texans draft discussion when a local boy turned Rose Bowl MVP is all theirs for the taking, you are fooling yourself. 2) It is one thing to make ESPN for a day. They talked about it for weeks afterwards. Vince did not get the same treatment after Ok State, and he had just as good an effort. 3) When you are leading the race all season, and then your number 1 opponent finally has a good game, the race should not have been decided on the leader's next performance. It's about looking at the whole body of work, not one game.
Why was bugh getting the hype... hmnnnn? I still do not get your first point, as if our staff would only want bush becuase of hype and the heismann. Speaking of hype right now , did somebody say Vince Young?
This is crazy..Yes, Bush is good, but Vince has so much more upside and at the key position, QB...Either one will breathe new life to whatever Franchise picks them...This is a Houston website, so naturally, there is a lot of Vince Young support, however, VY deserves it not only here, but nationally as well (see past two Rose Bowl games) and he's done it consistently in his college career...He left college at the highpoint, just as you should (Hell, even George Costanza know this)... VY should be a Texan, but I'm not sure it'll happen...
Let me see if I can break this down for you. Bush got the hype after the Fresno game, to a much greater extent than Vince did after OK state. Then, if Bush didn't win the Heisman and Vince did, plus everything else stayed constant(Rose Bowl outcome), you would have a running back with no major award going up against a QB with the Heisman, a Rose Bowl MVP, National Championship and not to mention he is from the city of the franchise that owns the number one pick. It would be a no contest discussion. Can you really not get this? Bush and Young are similarly rated prospects. If you flip the results of the one thing that was not taken care of when they played each other on the field(the Heisman), plus add in the Vince-Houston connection, the team would undoubtedly take Vince in such a scenario. The flipping of the Heisman would give Vince the trophy of best college player this year that Bush currently has now. That is incredibly important in a debate like this, with one of the two players being Houston born and raised.
Im right here are the front lines with you, but dont worry as Reggie will lead us to the promise land on Draft day. We will get back on the boards with "I told you so" posts. This is all as clear as day what is going to happen. It only becomes foggy to all those UT fans. We need to extract the Burnt Orange that is seeping through thier vains and maybe they will see straight. Reggie Bush's #1 Fan
So I guess 610's coverage has nothing to do with the fact that VY is the most popular ATHLETE in the nation right now and just so happens to have been born and raised in our own backyard. Radio shows need to talk about whats popular, they need listeners, right now, VY is the talk of the town. It has nothing to do with the fact that he is a Longhorn. Seriously, what is there to talk about the Aggies, Cougers, Owls, etc...? What exciting news do they bring to the table? The answer is none. Why is it that anyone that wants VY is a UT fan? Is it possible that folks see what VY can bring to the franchise on and off the field? I love it how anyone that wants VY is biased and that a lot of the anti-VY posters were UT-haters in the first place, but thats not considered biased.
If that is what you want, I prefer to make something up after the draft... You are free to do the same. A trade nullifies the bet.....ok? DD
I agree with what you are saying. I have seen him show patience and set up blocks so well outside I see no reason to think he wouldn't be able to do it inside as well. When you say we are missing evidence I'll agree to that. I think both VY and RB will be terrific. I think you'll see it sooner from RB, but that is normal. RBs tend to show be able to adapt more quickly than QBs. I also think you'll see numbers from Bush like you were talking about. However, they don't squat at the combine.
this is just all flat out wrong. Why would anyone care about heisman's and awards? The draft is all about prospects, not awards. THE HEISMAN HAS NO EFFECT ON WHO WILL BE PICKED FIRST. Young WAS the leader because of the OK State game. Bush had an impressive game against fresno and never looked back. While the games that followed also had an effect on the heisman and draft position, the actual award means nothing to anyone in the NFL. Even if Bush would have lost the voting (which he could not have because of his performances), he would still be the top prospect. Surely even other VY educated supporters can agree that if Bush had not won the heisman it would not matter in his draft status.
I am not sure what any of that means, but i would be glad to see other nfl type throws in coverage. That is the only one people ever mention
When two prospects are considered similar in class talent wise and aren't solely system players(see Bush/Vince), it does matter. I never said it always plays a role, you did. Part of bush's prospect status is tied directly to him winning the Heisman trophy and the hype he received in the process. How do you think he got compared to Sayers and other NFL greats? Why do you think people are talking about a 15 carry per game guy in college for the number 1 pick in April? Heisman, which was won on the Fresno State game. Btw, if you agree Vince was ahead in the race after OSU, then why is it that Bush got a free pass for a blah game vs cal(17 carries 82 yards no td's) the same week Vince put up 281 yards and 4 td's in essentially one half of work vs Kansas. That game could have "cemented" it for Vince, but instead it doesn't really boost his advantage and at the first sight of a Bush good game vs Fresno the following week he gets passed. And don't tell me nobody else had a game like that because Vince did in Stillwater. It would matter in his draft status to the Texans and that is the point. In order to take Bush, they would have to pass up a Houston native, Rose Bowl MVP, Heisman trophy winning quarterback in such a scenario. Furthermore, you are deluding yourself if you think that people wouldn't consider Vince the top prospect if he had the Heisman over Reggie. Right now, look at the fan support for Vince with Reggie being the Heisman winner. If Vince had taken home that award too, it would be a landslide decision to draft Vince. In fact, since you are so adamant that the Heisman has no effect in the debate we have now, why don't we take it away from the discussion period? That leaves Reggie up against a fellow stud prospect who happens to be the Rose Bowl MVP(with one of the best games ever), with 60% completion percentage/ridiculously good efficiency rating at QB(not to mention he ran for over 1000 yards at QB) and houston native without anything significant other than his YPC average on his resume. Then why isn't Vince the clear cut choice right now. He sells more tickets here, and has better accomplishments on his resume, along with being considered virtually Bush's equal talent wise.
This is my last response to your moronic arguments. I still don't see how you can't seem to realize that Reggie Bush would be an amazing prospect whether he won the heisman or not.(which he did in the biggest landslide vote ever for the heisman) THERE IS A REASON WHY HE IS ON ESPN, WON THE HEISMAN, RECEIVES ALL THIS HYPE AND ANALYSTS ARE SAYING HE MAY BE ONE OF THE BEST PROSPECTS EVER! But due to your stupid arguments, I am now convinced Reggie should not have won the heisman (its espn's fault)! What Vince won the Rose Bowl MVP? Oh my God , then we have to take him! He will sell tickets for us! (what's that? we already sell out every game. ) We will now take Vince because of these reasons !! Signed Charlie Casserly
Do you not agree that all the coverage is due to the popularity of VY rather than just covering UT sports? Or did you actually think that was a funny comment?
Both Vince and Reggie are good/great prospects regardless, I didn't say anything otherwise. That isn't the point. The point is if Vince had won the Heisman and Reggie hadn't, odds are Vince would have the higher draft grade of the two at this time, and people would have pumping Vince to go out for the draft as the number 1 pick to his hometown team with him having the best draft grade of any prospect. Secondly, the reason analysts are saying Bush is the best ever is because of the Fresno State game. However, I didn't see Vince get mentioned in the NFL great discussion after the Oklahoma State game. Sorry, but he received a vast majority of his hype due to one game vs Fresno State and ESPN pumping him as the Heisman winner for weeks afterwards, which they did not do with Vince after his 500 yard game at Oklahoma State. That is why the Heisman voting was ridiculously, and undeservedly one sided. If you really don't remember that, I can't help you there. The Rose Bowl MVP was determined on the field in the national championship game. The Heisman had a lot of media influence involved in the final outcome, and always does. Big difference. Also, the Texans openly stated one reason for taking Bush(before Vince declared) was to excite the fanbase. Vince Young does that better than Reggie Bush, I don't see that being so hard to understand. Lastly, my argument is not moronic/stupid/any other adjective you have used in this thread. All I was saying was if everything else stays the game and if the Heisman vote was flipped between the two(I personally think Vince deserved it more, but that isn't important for the sake of discussion), Vince Young would have been the one getting the hype/push to come out, and he would have been rated the number one prospect on the board. Therefore, it would be reasonable to say that if that all happened, the team would not be debating between Bush and Vince for all the factors would be in Vince's favor, not to mention he is from Houston and Bush isn't. (that is a bigger deal than you wish to admit) and we wouldn't be having this discussion. Why you can't grasp this concept is beyond me.
