Bush Administration Secretly Authorized CIA Torture

Why didn't the libs complain then? Guess it's only bad if a repub does it. You're quickly losing creditibility.


Are you cat woman today?

 

!!!COMING!!!

stevie is coming!! back!!

 

They are one of the more reputable papers though even that isn't saying much.

I'm surprised anybody takes the media seriously at all. What is up with the fake balance in the Rush Limbaugh story?

I saw a piece on Countdown last night where they were talking about how the media saying "Rush allegedly said..." or "Many believe Limbaugh implied..."

Man there is a transcript and audio of the show. We know Rush Limbaugh was not only referring to one soldier. We know that he was lying when he claimed he was. We know that Rush did indeed compare the wounded Iraqi veteran to a suicide bomber, and we know that he's lying now when trying to say that he wasn't.

Trying to act like there might be another way to read those comments is ridiculous. It is clear. It is cut and dry, and yet the media for some reason feels like in order to be balanced they have leave wiggle room in there for the right wing.

Sometimes facts fall firmly on one side.

 

lol have fun with your retirement account being worth half as much

you should retire to thailand and live like a king instead

 

yeah, no joke.
thailand huh? no thanks.
but don't worry about me, although i appreciate your concerns.

 

no matter how you spin it, you are still saying love it or leave it. why should he give up his citizenship, what would he gain? he is an american, this is his country right? he might want to use the u.s. as a back-up, so what? i think houston has major issues, that's why i don't live there. however, it's my hometown and i still have friends and family there. part of me will always be there but i feel more in tune with the citizenry and community in brooklyn. that doesn't mean i don't love houston or, even if i wanted to, could somehow not be from there. rhad has every right to feel disenfranchised given the current political climate. he has the right to complain about it, to seek dual citizenship, and to leave if he so chooses. and you are allowed to say love it or leave it.

 

yet another lie from the criminal in chief...

they dont wiretap american citizens
they had no idea the levies would fail
they had no idea people would fly planes into buildings

how many times can this criminal lie to our faces and still have people supporting him?

this administration changed the very definition of torture to only include physical injury equivalent of organ failure or death. for it to be regarded as psychological torture it must last months or even years.

the presidents former legal council, john yoo, says the president can sexually torture children.

these are some sick and mentally depraved people running our country. they need to be held accountable for what they have done.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26401-2004Jun8.html

"An Aug. 1, 2002, memo from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, addressed to Gonzales, said that torturing suspected al Qaeda members abroad "may be justified" and that international laws against torture "may be unconstitutional if applied to interrogation" conducted against suspected terrorists. The document provided legal guidance for the CIA, which crafted new, more aggressive techniques for its operatives in the field.

In the view expressed by the Justice Department memo, which differs from the view of the Army, physical torture "must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death." For a cruel or inhuman psychological technique to rise to the level of mental torture, the Justice Department argued, the psychological harm must last "months or even years."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo
john yoo, while bush's legal council, pushed the concept of the "unitary executive" - basically the president can do whatever the hell he wants b/c he is the president - he is above the law. he can start wars if he wants. he can sexually torture children if he wants.

John Choon Yoo (born 1967), is a professor of Law at the Boalt Hall School of Law, the University of California, Berkeley. A Korean-born American, he is best known for his work from 2001 to 2003 in the United States Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel.[1] He contributed to the PATRIOT Act and wrote controversial memos in which he advocated the possible legality of torture and that enemy combatants could be denied protection under the Geneva Conventions.

In explaining the Yoo Doctrine, Yoo made the following statements during a December 1, 2005, debate in Chicago, Illinois, with Notre Dame Law School Professor Doug Cassel:

Cassel: If the President deems that he�s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person�s child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty.
Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.[12]

 

until you present evidence that clinton not only knew, but approved said torture, your comment means nothing.

 

Actually the backup plan was Germany. Hayes was pointing out that rhadamanthus not only is disenfranchised, but felt hopeless (writting on the wall). Hence the backup plan to get out of here.

Now if you felt Houston has too many issues that is beyond repair, and that's the reason you left. You can probably understand for the people who stays and try to make things better, you might not be welcome.

 

i'm assuming english is not your first language, hence the poor reading comprehension. but don't worry, i won't hold it against you or suggest that you leave. peace.

 

How about you stop being a prick.
And please do explain how I misinterpreted your post.

 

No, I'm Batman. You have us mixed up. I've never pretended to be someone I'm not here; you do it all the time.

Re: torture under Clinton, I didn't know about it if it happened. If it did and if I'd known you bet I'd have complained. Especially if his administration had issued signing statements preserving a right to torture or done anything akin to what Bush is accused of in this thread. I don't know what point you're trying to make by saying I'm a hypocrite for not denouncing actions no one has ever credibly suggested took place (let alone presented evidence for), but I don't guess it's any weaker than any of your other arguments.

I complained about a lot that Clinton did (don't ask don't tell, the draconian welfare reform bill, Nafta and many other things) and I never voted for him. In fact, in 92 I worked for Jerry Brown and actively campaigned against him. I am a Democrat, but I'm not a partisan shill. If Kemp had been on the top of the ticket in 96 I almost definitely would have voted Republican. As it stood, I cast write in ballots in 92 and 96.

Your most tired BS is that stupid line about liberals only supporting or opposing things according to not liking the people on the other side, rejecting out of hand the notion that we might actually believe in the things we believe in rather than engaging purely in team sports. It would be as easy to assert that your arguments on this board are purely a result of not liking the various people that stomped you for your embarassing performance in the Macaca thread, and it would be twice as easy to demonstrate.

 

Ah the irony. Batman is disguishing himself. And you are pretending to be him. Nice. No, you don't pretend to be something you are not, you're just a narrow-minded liberal who buys into the liberal agenda and can't question anything. You should change your screen name to Batman Robot.

Holding onto your grudge about getting fooled a few years ago is kinda sad, you need to get over that. You're a hard-core liberal, which is no different than a hard-line conservative. Both are people who have identified themselves in such a way that they have to embrace the entire platform, because the platform has become the truth, their god, their religion, which they can not doubt,

You just can't see it Batman. Holy Blinded Bat!

 

forget it, he's part of the low-life algae that inhabits this board. When it gets in your path, just pass right through it.

 

I'm not disguising myself. Anyone who cares to look around knows exactly who I am. I'm a playwright and director and I've posted links to various announcements and reviews. Several people here have seen my plays and I've met many more.

You didn't fool me and I don't hold a grudge about, I just think you're a dork. You lied about your race and various other things, then admitted it, then tried to pretend it never happened. We all made fun of you because you played the fool so well and you got so upset you decided we were all liberal shills.

I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand, but I come to my positions on the issues honestly and sincerely as a result of my beliefs -- not because some party boss told me how to think. And I have specific areas of disagreement with every major Democrat or liberal ever. The only possible exceptions I can think of are Russ Feingold and Paul Wellstone, who very nearly represent(ed) my views on all things. I don't believe in certain things because I am a liberal. I am a liberal because I believe in certain things. As my old friend Jerry Brown once said, "You are neither hot nor cold so I vomited you out of my mouth. That's what I say about moderates." There is no special virtue or inherent fairness in standing on both sides of various issues. And you are nowhere near the paragon of fairness or moderation you pretend to be here. You are just a bitter kid who loves argument for it's own sake.

 

he's leaving because he doesn't believe the country lives up to what he thinks it ought to be. fine, but yet he wants to retain the rights of citizenship. but citizenship carries with it responsibilities, and the ratman doesn't want to bear those. hence, in my mind at least, he ought to have the courage of his convictions. if you want to move to germany and take german citizenship as political protest, go for it. but go all the way.