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Bush Administration OKs United Arab Emirates Company to Handle US Port Operations

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by gifford1967, Feb 17, 2006.

  1. Ubiquitin

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    No, it's just capitalism to me.
     
  2. insane man

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    the worlds going to hell. i completely agree.
     
  3. gifford1967

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    Lil t won't engage the debate. I'm shocked.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Can you refute the points that I made on the last page? I'm not going to respond to your silly tangent about Iran.
     
  5. mc mark

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    texxx you think there would be this much "ignorance" about the deal if Bush hadn't pounded the fear into Americans for the last four years?
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    I see you've retreated nicely to other topics to bash Bush on. Surrender accepted in light of the fact that you no longer are willing to argue the merits of this issue.
     
  7. gifford1967

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    Lil t is so insecure in his position that he is afraid to simply answer whether he would have a problem with an Iranian company taking over U.S. port operations.

    I scoff.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    More insults and another question about Iran. Well, it's clear to everybody here that you've lost this argument.
     
  9. jo mama

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    lou dobbs just reported that p&o currently handle shipping of military equipment to iraq and when they asked a p&o spokesperson if the uae state-owned company would be handling that too all they got a was a "no comment".
     
  10. thegary

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    clear as mud, yup.
     
  11. rimrocker

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    See posts #55 and #60 in the other thread.
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    pfft. I think you need to take some time and understand what role DP World will take in this agreement. They're leasing terminals at ports. They are not involved with security at ports. That falls under the coast guard and the DHS (and local police). The fact that DP World is doing extra security (looking into smuggling, etc), while nice, is not central to this debate, because security will continue to be handled at the federal level.

    Again, at best the detractors of this proposal are ignorant, at worst, racist.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Hardly

    texxx won't honestly answer questions. No surprise.
     
  14. mleahy999

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    =Uncle
     
  15. Deckard

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    I completely agree with the last three sentences in your post, wnes. That's where people should look for answers to why this deal was allowed to go down. Think about it, people... Bush and the Republican Congress have approval ratings in the toilet. Just awful, with various Republican Congresspersons running around like chickens with their heads cut off, trying to figure out how to keep their "safe seats" from being yanked out from under them. GOP Senators are doing the same thing, but with slightly more finesse.

    All this is going on and the Administration drops this bomb on them. They must be freaking out. Why on earth would the Administration do something that is this bad politically, when things politically suck already? Why indeed? Put aside whether it's a good idea or not, and whether the UAE corporation can do a decent job. Look at it from the political side.

    The Administration would be hard-pressed to give the Democratic Party an easier weapon to use this Fall. Politically, it's an act of madness. So why do it? Someone has a major interest, of some kind, in this corporation, and major influence in the Administration. Influence so great that this was done regardless of the potential political costs, and the political costs could have been seen by a blind man. So, what's really going on? The veto "threat" by Bush is so much hot air. There is no way his first veto, of his entire Administration, is cast on this issue.

    The only other explanation for this is an incompetence that is simply breathtaking.




    Keep D&D Civil.
     
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    What is your obsession with name calling? Because someone doesn't agree with you they are racist?
     
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    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-22-ports-arabs-protest_x.htm

    Arab leaders: Lawmakers exploiting ports issue

    By Andrea Stone, USA TODAY

    The furor over handing control of some operations at six U.S. ports to an Arab company has more to do with politics than security, U.S. Arab and Muslim leaders charged Wednesday.

    "There's an anti-Arab sentiment that is being exploited by members of Congress who see it as an election-year win," said James Zogby, president of the Washington-based Arab American Institute. "You can stoke up a whole lot of fear by saying 'The Arabs are coming.' "

    Zogby was scheduled to be in the United Arab Emirates today on business unrelated to the Dubai Ports World deal. He said the rhetoric "has been shameful, irresponsible, uninformed and dangerous" and preys on post-9/11 fears.

    Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., one of a handful of members of Congress of Lebanese Christian descent, said, "There's no question that if this had been a German company, it would have been unlikely they would have brought up the fact that the 9/11 hijackers trained and were radicalized in Germany."

    Issa said it was up to Congress to decide whether any foreign company should be allowed to operate U.S. ports or whether foreign ownership of port operations should be limited, as it is for TV and radio.

    Rep. Nick Rahall, D-W.Va., also of Lebanese descent, questioned the deal. "I don't think we need to surrender the security of America by outsourcing it to foreign countries."

    Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the deal represented "normal business practice" in a global economy. "Only when Arabs became involved did we see concerns being raised," he said. "That sends a message ... to the Arab and Muslim world of a double standard, that no Arabs or Muslims need apply."

    Zogby said the controversy has hurt State Department efforts to change America's image in the Arab and Muslim world. "It's not just what they think about us. It's how we talk about them."
     
  18. bigtexxx

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    Uh, no. I honestly believe that if you critically analyze the facts in this case, then you will come to reason with my view on this matter. The knee-jerk reaction to oppose an Arab-based company is what I'm not pleased with.
     
  19. mc mark

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    texxx is right. If we don't allow this transaction to go through, the terrorists win.

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    President tries to calm furor over takeover of port management

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The second in command at the Pentagon said Thursday that people who publicly oppose allowing a Middle Eastern company to take over management of some U.S. ports could be threatening national security.

    Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England told the Senate Armed Services Committee that blocking the deal could ostracize one of the United States' few Arab allies.

    "The terrorists want our nation to become distrustful," England said. "They want us to become paranoid and isolationist, and my view is we cannot allow this to happen. It needs to be just the opposite."

    http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/23/port.security/index.html
     
  20. gifford1967

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    Let's see what a former Inspector General for the Department of Homeland Security has to say about the port deal-

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/23/opinion/23ervin.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

    Strangers at the Door

    By CLARK KENT ERVIN
    Washington

    WHO could have imagined that, in the post-9/11 world, the United States government would approve a deal giving control over six major American ports to a country with ties to terrorism? But this is exactly what the secretive Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States has done.

    Since 1999, the ports of New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia and other cities have been operated by a British concern, P & O Ports, which has now been bought by Dubai Ports World, a company controlled by the government of the United Arab Emirates. Defenders of the deal are claiming that critics, including the Republican and Democratic leaderships in Congress, are acting reflexively out of some bias against Arabs.

    This is simply not true. While the United Arab Emirates is deemed by the Bush administration to be an ally in the war on terrorism, we should all have deep concerns about its links to terrorists. Two of the 9/11 hijackers were citizens of the emirates, and some of the money for the attacks came from there. It was one of only three countries in the world that recognized the Taliban regime. And Dubai was an important transshipment point for the smuggling network of Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani scientist who supplied Libya, Iran and North Korea with equipment for making nuclear weapons.

    Most terrorism experts agree that the likeliest way for a weapon of mass destruction to be smuggled into our country would be through a port. After all, some 95 percent of all goods from abroad arrive in the United States by sea, and yet only about 6 percent of incoming cargo containers are inspected for security threats.

    It is true that at the ports run by the Dubai company, Customs officers would continue to do any inspection of cargo containers and the Coast Guard would remain "in charge" of port security. But, again, very few cargo inspections are conducted. And the Coast Guard merely sets standards that ports are to follow and reviews their security plans. Meeting those standards each day is the job of the port operators: they are responsible for hiring security officers, guarding the cargo and overseeing its unloading.

    Probably few Americans knew until this week that major ports were operated by a foreign company. Now several members of Congress are introducing bills that would prohibit such ownership. While President Bush has threatened a veto, certainly it is reasonable to reconsider whether such strategic assets should be controlled by any foreign entity.

    The debate over the sale should also shed light on the mysterious workings of the Committee on Foreign Investment, an interagency body led by the secretary of the Treasury. Under current rules, the committee can approve deals in which foreign companies take over American properties with national security importance after just a 30-day review, and without the approval of the president.

    If the committee does not approve a sale within this period it can — or if the acquirer is a foreign government it must — take an additional 45 days to conduct an "investigation," after which it has to make a recommendation to the president, who then has 15 days to approve or reject the deal. While the president must inform Congress of his decision, it has no review power. In this instance, even though the acquirer was a foreign government, no investigation was conducted and the president was not informed.

    Obviously, the committee has a worrisome amount of power and the process is too rapid. At a minimum, the law should be changed to take away its power to decide matters with such a major bearing on national security on its own. And where a foreign power would be in control, the committee should thoroughly investigate and make a recommendation to the White House. Then, if the president approves the deal, Congress should have the ability to review and reverse it.

    If our nation's treaties and trade agreements are important enough to require Congressional approval, then surely ceding control of our most important strategic assets to a foreign power should as well — especially in the new age of terrorism.

    Clark Kent Ervin, the inspector general of the Homeland Security Department from 2003 to 2004, is the author of the forthcoming "Open Target: Where America is Vulnerable to Attack."


    Even if the port operator isn't involved at all in actual port security it is still a horrible security risk to allow a company controlled by the UAE to handle significant port operations in the U.S. Al Qaeda didn't have to be involved in airport security to be able to exploit its weaknesses and deliver a devastating blow. Would it have been easier for them, if they had allies on the inside at US airports? Of course it would. Will the sale of these port operations to a company controlled by the UAE make it easier for terrorists to get an ally on the inside to monitor and exploit port security vulnerabilites? Of course it will. This is common sense.

    In fact, as I said in the post that started this thread, NO foriegn company should control port operations in the U.S., but especially not a country in which members of the royal family have documented ties to freaking Bin Laden! It boggles the mind!
     
    #120 gifford1967, Feb 24, 2006
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