I think Mr. Costello is mistaken regarding comments made by Mr. Bullard. Mr. Bullard's statements are being taken out of context. There was no sense of animosity towards Mr. Olajuwon. Mr. Bullard only meant to offer a professional response without bringing about a potential opinion (and thus a potential conflict of interest) into the entire matter. Mr. Costello is certainly entitled to his own opinion regarding the statements, however had he actually taken the time to properly quote and subsequently analyze the tone of Mr. Bullard's reply, he would be hard-pressed to find anything other then a professional reply that was attempting to stay unbiased (and without angering management as well). Perhaps an analogous comparison could be made to Mr. Olajuwon's treatment of Mr. Pippen's contractual obligations. Mr. Olajuwon did not agree or disagree with the statements Mr. Pippen was making, and stated that he wished for management and Mr. Pippen to work things out. As for other members of the Rockets franchise who are getting restless (as someone suggested) - I think it would be unfair to make this claim as these individuals have not stated anything relating to that. Also, it doesn't make sense to push forward a serious contract negoiation to "hurry things up" because it could lead to potentially disturbing problems in the future. ------------------
Please tell me where the hell Bullard made a reference to Hakeem as being a "******" or anything remotely derrogatory. I still don't think Bullard has said anything really derrogatory. I believe he had a right to say what he said it and in the manner he said it. Pippen's comments were above and beyond anything Bullard said. If you're going to defend Hakeem at least have a defense. ------------------ "I'll tell you this, the older I get, the less I trust people. It's true. It's damn true." -- gr8-1 going through some growing pains.
Nothing more than you. Resign Mo' with what? We have to get below the cap and lose our exceptions before we can sign Mo' to anything more than an exception. Hottoddie, this happens to me to. I get staring at numbers then somehow, at some point, forget the simple part. That's why aelliott is so great to have around. He'll come in and say,,,no, no, no...you forgot "this."
I read this thread through and through and I've come to the conclusion that this is all dam interesting. ------------------ Rarely is the question asked: Guns kill squirrels than REDRUM to fools across the nation?
shanna -- a) read the Bullard quote that was posted to start the thread, the one in which he is quoted by EC as wishing Hakeem would "hurry up so the people that wanted to play in Houston could sign their contracts", and b) read the entire thread, including the part where I CONCEDED that I may have misinterpreted Bullard's statements, even though my conclusion was the most logical one drawn from the quote given. I didn't quote you so as not to embarass you...you have my permission to go back and edit your post. I think it's in everyone's best interest to read and then re-read this quote by Arbitrator, the current smartest poster on the board: As for other members of the Rockets franchise who are getting restless (as someone suggested) - I think it would be unfair to make this claim as these individuals have not stated anything relating to that. Also, it doesn't make sense to push forward a serious contract negoiation to "hurry things up" because it could lead to potentially disturbing problems in the future. ------------------ "What have you done for me lately Hakeem Olajuwon?" --the ClutchCity.net BBS
hmmmm.... okay, then that leaves only one thing left to say. <FONT SIZE=7>DREAM, MAKE UP YOUR FREAKIN' MIND!!!</FONT> ------------------ A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.
Haven- Sure there is. The hating comes not from criticizing his game, but.. 1. when people unfairly say he's being greedy, etc. Wanting more than 4.1 mil isn't exactly greedy in the NBA. 2. From the people who say that he's a complainer and demanding more touches. Hakeem also said he doesnt' mind not being the number one option, and if the team wants to play the running game more he would do that. But that in many situations there are teams that don't even have a legit center. In those situations why not exploit the matchup in Houstons favor and go through Hakeem. It's not just him wanting to hog the ball. If you look at it, yes he did call for touches. People can agree or disagree with that, but the guy also said that he would change his style to fit in with the new team, and he was fine not being the #1 option. That shows a willingness to give in at least a little on his part. Anyway once the Rockets started utilizing Hakeem after that excellent come back against the Knicks, both Hakeem and the Rockets played better. So maybe there is something to what Hakeem was saying. So just saying one side of the story and not both is Hakeem Hatin'. It's fine if people say they don't think he's worth the money. I do think Hakeem's initial salary request was totally unreasonable. But 4.1 mil is unreasonable too when the Rockets can afford to give him more. Trying to slander him for greed, demanding to be the go-to guy and all the other things people say about Hakeem, without looking at both sides is a Hakeem hating bandwagon. So it's not just people who take any criticism of Hakeem as hatin' ------------------
thefreak.. i have no clue if they are restless yet or not.. BUT i wouldn't be surprised if they were at least somewhat frustrated by all this.. shandon, moochie, and hakeem have the same agent so they probably know whats going on.. but it would be interesting to know about taylor.. havinga differnt agent and all he might not be so sure about his future contract.. at least shandon and moochie have it in their favor that their agent will probably at least try to have some money left over for them after he finishes hakeem's contract ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
Great arguments. Though I can understand that people who are fans and care about the team take it personally. But your arguments make a lot of sense. Bullard is worried about his contract situation, and Hakeem is worried about his. I guess they are both in the same boat ------------------
I don't think you did. I heard at least 5 incorrect CBA statements in yesterday's broadcast. I've read one by Feagan printed in the Sunday paper. Hell, I made 2 bads in the last 10 days, too. But, I'm get better thanks to the full CBA text I have and for aelliott scrutinizing my pontifications. We are all learning. What I have learned over time is not to question the media comments without research. They can print what the Rockets tell them and get it slightly wrong, but the gist of it is correct. Lately though, they have been getting adding their own inaccuracies. I think we are all becoming impatient and some are left trying to make sense out of it via the CBA rules. So, the media is interpreting the CBA without a CD press release and are getting it more and more wrong, lately. oh well...all we can do is just get better as capologists over time. Everyone gets humbled at some point, because it is one huge legal contract that we are all trying to simplify.
I think they should negotiate the way I did when I was a kid. I'll give you 2 purple, 3 green, & 4 red marbles for your shooter marble. No? Okay, I'll give you 2 purple, 3 green, & 4 red marbles + I'll throw in this cool snake skin, that I found over by those rocks you're sitting on. ------------------ A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.
shanna -- a) read the Bullard quote that was posted to start the thread, the one in which he is quoted by EC as wishing Hakeem would "hurry up so the people that wanted to play in Houston could sign their contracts", and b) read the entire thread, including the part where I CONCEDED that I may have misinterpreted Bullard's statements, even though my conclusion was the most logical one drawn from the quote given. And most people would conceded that they may have misinterpreted Dream's delays and such. However, similar to your statement, the logical conclusion is that he is causing problems for the Rockets, and thus upsetting Rockets fans. The logical conclusion is that Hakeem is thinking only of himself and people are annoyed with it. If it's OK for you to voice your logical conclusions from Bullard's actions -- even if they might be wrong -- why shouldn't others voice their logical conclusions from Hakeem's actions? I just don't see why it's wrong for Rockets fans to be annoyed with Hakeem and what he is doing. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
What is Hakeem doing? He's not accpeting a bad offer. If Bullard and other Rockets want to speed the process up, maybe they can ask the Rockets organization to up their offer to Hakeem by a million or so. On to another point: People say that Hakeem has made enough money so he shouldn't want anything more. He's just being greedy. The same could be said for Les Alexander. He's most likely made more than Hakeem has. Why shouldn't he go ahead and pay Hakeem everything then? After all Les Alexander doesn't need the extra million this year any more than Hakeem does. These aren't my actual feelings, but just following the logic of posters who say that because Hakeem has made a lot of money he should sign for less than he is worth. ------------------ [This message has been edited by sleepyfloyd (edited July 25, 2001).]
Because this would hamper our efforts to sign our own free-agents by restricting cap-room. This isn't about Les Alexander's money, this is about spending cap-room. ------------------ The time for logic and reason has come and gone. It's homer time now. Believe.
But ZRB already posted a feasible scenario on another threat where Hakeem gets more money, and all our free agents come back. I think we could pay Hakeem around 5 mil. a year and still get the guys back. If we have to lose Shandon or Bullard to get Hakeem back, that's not how I would like it, but it might be better than letting dream go. Also I just want to say, The issue with Les Alexander's money is only in response to those posters that claim Hakeem should play for less since he doesn't need anymore money. Again It's not an argument, just showing what I see as a flaw in their logic. ------------------
Unless the definition for feasible has changed and I didn't notice - he didn't. ------------------ The time for logic and reason has come and gone. It's homer time now. Believe.
crispee.. yeah it just made sense not to renounce hakeem for that reason but now that I know he won't lose his bird rights maybe we should renounce him. oh well I guess what we all need is a CBA for fans.. printed where it could be understood easier.. then again that would probably be inaccurate as well ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be"
What part of the scenario did you find to be not feasable? ------------------ [This message has been edited by sleepyfloyd (edited July 25, 2001).]
Shandon resigning for 3.5 million. It won't happen. Moochie being signed to an exception we wont have. ------------------ The time for logic and reason has come and gone. It's homer time now. Believe.
Derrick Chievious: "well where the hell is Hakeem's professional courtesy while these other 4 guys sit and wait on him to figure what he is going to do. " Hakeem is doing what anyone is his shoes would do, looking at his options and playing the field. Hakeem taking his time to make up his mind is not discourteous. Maybe its the Rockets being discourteous to Bull and the rest by not renouncing Dream and getting their deals done. ------------------
