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Budinger giving up ?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets Jones, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    Basic elementary school division.


    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2012.html
     
  2. durvasa

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    Drafting Budinger in the middle of the second round is a "mistake" now?

    The guy is a serviceable NBA player. Let's not go overboard here.
     
  3. rockbox

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    3.1 + x(3.1)=5.6
    3.1x=2.5
    x=2.5/3.1
    x=.806

    So technical its 81 percent more than Chase.

    I don't have to be durvasa to figure this math out.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    I get that Rockbox, but it is not factoring in the lack of minutes for CBud....of about 5 more a game.

    DD
     
  6. DaDakota

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    BTW - that is exactly what I am talking about, people don't take a deep look - they just gloss over.....hey, I am guilty of that too sometimes...it happens.

    DD
     
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    Parson average 3 minutes more a game than Bud in the games that they have played.
     
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    No kidding. He's certainly out-performed his contract.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    25.3mpg for Parsons
    20.7mpg for Bud
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    4.6mpg more for Parsons.

    DD
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Simple math. Parsons gets 5.6 RBG, Budinger 3.1. The 2.5 difference is about 80% of 3.1.

    For example, if Parsons got 6.2 rebounds per game, he would be getting 100% more rebounds.
     
  11. durvasa

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    He wrote "15% more time" also.

    For rebounding, I would look instead at rebound%. Budinger, for his career, is at 8.8% which is average for his position. Parsons is at 13.4% this season.

    Its also worth pointing out that Parsons is more of a 3/4 position-wise, while Budinger is more of a 2/3.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    http://www.clutchfans.net/stats.cfm

    Forgot link from our very own Clutchfans.

    The guy has neither quit, nor does he suck....but for some reason, he has become the whipping boy of this BBS even though he rarely plays.

    I will always stand up for those guys, when people's perceptions are so inaccurate it is silly.

    A 2nd round pick, who was great as a starter for us last year, has had several great games - even over 30 points, and can really score the ball.

    I view his downfall as a struggle with McHale's lack of system, last year Bud would come off of pin downs and hit that midrange or go to the hole, this year, he is not getting his number called and is struggling to find his place on the floor.

    Parsons fits better, as he does not demand the ball and plays better defense, but Mchale moves Bud to 2nd unit to get him more shots then moves Kmart and his declining FG% to play with Bud thus taking away his shots even more.

    And we all can see that Bud plays better on D when he is involved on O.....it is a coaches job to get the best out of his players.

    DD
     
  13. DaDakota

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    I agree with that, and I am not saying Bud should start over Parsons, but he should be playing backup SF, he is a better option than either CLee or Kmart at that spot.

    DD
     
  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Also, not sure where you are getting the 25.3 MPG for Parsons. Every stat site I have looked at shows 23.8.
     
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    I'm using http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2012.html as my reference and it says 3 minutes. BTW, based on per 36 minutes numbers, Bud beats Parsons out by 1 point with a similar effective FG% (Parson can't shoot). However parsons beats Bud by 3.1 rebounds, almost twice as many assists, 5 times as many blocks, almost 3 times as many steals, and the same number of turnovers.

    Parson also has better intangibles and plays better defense (the biggest difference).
     
  16. DaDakota

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    They are not updated, use the link I posted from right here at Clutchfans.....which is updated daily.

    DD
     
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    On a per minute basis: Parsons had 95 rebounds in 404 minutes, which equals roughly .235 rebounds per minute. Budinger had 47 rebounds in 311 minutes, which equals roughly .151 rebounds per minute.

    .235/.151 equals roughly 1.55 or 156%. In other words, Parsons has a rebouding rate per minute approximately 56% higher than Budinger's on a per-minute basis.

    If you try to account for pace of play by using Total Rebound Percentage, the difference is still roughly 56% (13.4 vs. 8.6).

    So, 80% is erroneous, but a 56% difference is still quite substantial.

    Also, the numbers I used are updated, below is the game log from the site, which lists all of the games, including the Bucks game, and there are 17 games with 11 starts.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/parsoch01/gamelog/2012/
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    All the others appear updated as well. Regardless, change the 15% to 20% more time and Parsons' offensive and defensive stat numbers still outdo Budinger by a lot.

    Do you understand the 80% yet?
     
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    Lets not forget that Parson gets the toughest defensive assignment while Bud generally gets the easiest and Parson still limits his opponents to less production than Bud.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Agreed, I am not disputing Parsons as the starter, love him there, I just can't stand people piling on CBud when he has been pretty good for this team, and has exceeded his draft position and if called upon there is not that much of a drop off, and he is the only other true SF on the team, he should be playing backup SF....

    Last night we had guys trying to guard Dunleavy and Stephen Jackson, both of which are 6'8" or better, and our midgets had no chance of stopping or contesting their 3pt shots....

    Bud should have been in there, McHale is playing too short of a rotation, it is killing players like Lowry, KMart and Clee whose production has all fallen off.....

    I don't have an issue with Bud coming off the bench but situationally he should be playing against teams with bigger smalls.....IMO.

    DD
     

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