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Bud Selig should be fired. Now.

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by msn, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Am I the only one that doesn't understand why these games were not delayed until the end of the season?

    What was the hurry to play them? They might not have even been necessary.

    To me......that is the best solution.

    DD
     
  2. msn

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    Playing the games after the season? So the Cubs can't set up their rotation just perfect for their destiny run? Waaaa. The Astros can't go home to power and water.
     
  3. bobrek

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    I am curious as to the monetary issues with respect to this. One of the Chicago sportswriters had a good idea prior to any of this happening where he wrote something like:

    A. MLB should dip into its coffers and give the Astros any lost revenue for this series.

    B. Take all ticket money generated in Milwaukee and have the Astros, Cubs and MLB match it for hurricane relief.
     
  4. Refman

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    So the reasonable solution is to take a team that is fighting for a playoff spot, make them leave home after a few days of almost no sleep, and expect them to play two games while they are worried about their homes, families, and community.

    That makes sense. Sheesh.
     
  5. bobrek

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    Imagine if your favorite team has to play 3 games after the season (assume DH on the 29th and single game on the 30th). They are in a pennant race so they have to use their best pitchers (or normal rotation) for the 3 games. Imagine your team makes the playoffs and has to open with Dave Mlicki starting against Johan Santana. Imagine that you can look back and say, "you know, MLB could have scheduled these 2 teams to play (at the very least) a DH on Monday the 15th, so they would only have to play a single game on the 29th (if necessary).
     
  6. DaDakota

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    But the chances are that the Cubs would have already clinched, and therefore would NOT be using their top line pitching prospects.

    I think there was no rush to play these games, and the players clearly were not ready.

    Forcing a team to play when Ike just barrelled through their neighborhoods is callous, and Drayton and MLB should be ashamed of themselves for making it happen.

    Not to mention, MLB could delay the start of the NL by a day or two to help compensate....there were other options.

    DD
     
  7. bobrek

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    So by this response to my reply, I assume the Cubs are your favorite team? :) Granted the Cubs probably will have clinched by season's end, but the Astros' would still be in the hunt.

    My solution - schedule an early DH on Monday the 15th (perhaps start at 10:00 AM) and go from there. At that point, if it had to be in Milwaukee, so be it. It would be tough to schedule it on the west coast because of the Astros then having to travel to Florida for a Tuesday game.
     
  8. SWTsig

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    no ****... there were other ways around this situation. to come in here and tell us that traveling and then playing in milwaukee in the same day in front of nothing but cubs fans was the only option is a joke. houston gets hit with a hurricane and yet it's the cubs who got accommodated.

    complete bullsh!t.
     
  9. Cannonball

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    I would've rather them played the games in Round Rock.
     
  10. updawg

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    thats what I was thinking as well.
     
  11. Austin70

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    Check out what Ahole Ramirez said.

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    Cubs third baseman Aramis Ramirez was less than sympathetic.

    "If they cry about it, that's the wrong thing to do because you've still got to play the game," he said. "You've got to go out there and try to win ballgames. It doesn't matter where you play or what situation you're in. We're on the road, too. Even though we had a lot of Cubs fans, we weren't playing at Wrigley Field
     
  12. Hey Now!

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    florida hosted a home game sunday; it wasn't viable. atlanta had rain forecasted: you can't uproot two teams and ask them to go to a neutral site that might be impacted by the weather.

    this has NOTHING to do with the cubs; they're going to win their division and clinch home field throughout the playoffs REGARDLESS. hell, selig could have simply canceled the games, given houston the three wins as a bonus for having to endure ike, and the cubs STILL would have won the division and home field.

    this didn't in any way benefit the cubs.
     
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    you are delusional.
     
  14. msn

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    I get your point but driving an hour versus flying to Houston has to count for something. Playing in front of a home crowd versus playing in Houston has to count for something. They, at the very least, benefitted experientially. All that may count is the win column, but I guarantee you the two days off and the short two-day roadie were far more refreshing than a three-game series at Minute Maid would have been.
     
  15. Surfguy

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    The only thing I learned is Cubs fans are a bunch of jerk-offs. I hope they get hit by a natural disaster, have to move their games elsewhere, and then show up to play where the crowd is extra hostile to them. Glad to say, Astros fans have a little more class than that.
     
  16. updawg

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    ric must think these were supposed to be cubs home games
     
  17. Hey Now!

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    there’s one day off between the end of the regular season and the start of the postseason – how do you propose they squeeze those three games in, knowing they could completely wreak havoc with the postseason schedule?

    and the landscape changes dramatically; by season’s end, the cubs have won their division, set their rotation and gotten everyone healthy… which is a bonus for having the best record in the league.

    so you’re going to make them play three games BEFORE the postseason and possibly ruin all that earned preparation? and how should the cubs approach those games? go for broke to win them and possibly wear out your pitchers and bullpen? or play a bunch of second and third stringers and ruin the integrity of the situation?
     
  18. Major

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    You can't delay the entire playoffs for 3 days to play the games. First off, you screw up the entire MLB schedule system. It's only happened once, I believe - that was for 9/11 and the entire shutdown of baseball for a week. Beyond that, the Cubs have no reason to play the games - they might as well just forfeit. Is that fair to Philly and Milwaukee? What if the Astros were to clinch with one win - do they not play the other two? Is the entire MLB playoff schedule up in the air until these games get resolved? Then, after that, what if you end up with a 2 or 3 way tie AFTER the 3-day delay for these games? Now you have a Philly-Milwaukee-Houston wild-card playoff to deal with. Meanwhile, the other six teams in the playoffs has been off for a week, which entirely messes up the rhythm of the playoffs and the teams.

    Playing all the games after the season would have been a non-starter for MLB - it would have been the absolute last resort option if nothing else was possible. It makes no sense - unless your only goal is to what's best for the Astros and not MLB as a whole.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    you can't let the human reaction to this seep into the baseball universe. from a strictly baseball perspective, that IS a big deal; a game-changer. and if the astros were in similiar circumstances, we'd all be bemoaning the situation.
     
  20. Hey Now!

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    it benefited the cubs, sure - for those games. but it's not like they were must-wins for them, which was LL's implication; that this was done to somehow assure a cubs/red sox world series, which is patently ridiculous.
     

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