OK, ignoring the Laker troll in the thread.... I can't view youtube videos at work, but I pray that someone got the Bucks announcer screaming on there. I flipped over during commercial of the Nugs-Rockets game just in time to see this play and the Bucks announcer started SCREAMING "That wasn't a block!" so loudly that it was causing his microphone to almost clip. Between that, Jennings and the group of 100 fans that Bogut is paying for the tickets for, the Bucks have become one of my "go-to" League Pass teams.
it was a block. bogut shuffled his feet to his right if you look at the end of the replay. that was on top of his shuffling backwards. everyone knows that if you are moving at all then your changes of getting called for a block on a player driving to the basket are much higher. further, bogut flopped trying to draw the foul and that was just begging the refs to make some sort of call. if he maintained good defensive position then nothing would have been called. kobe was spinning around bogut so he tried to cut him off but got called for it.
What about them? Those are bad calls, too? Is it too much to ask the refs to not suck and make the right calls, all the time. Or, at a MINIMUM, call it fair both ways.
lol...how much did you make last year? or even this year? and by that comeback im guessing you are admitting i am right.
People need to back up off the Lakers. The NBA obviously has it out for them. Making them play on the road and all...
My point is that there were questionable calls both ways. Attributing the outcome of a game to one call is a loser mentality.
^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the easiest thing to do is to blame the refs and claim conspiracy. if the league were fixed, why didn't the Cavs make it to the Finals last year? The Lakers put Kobe in a position to win the game. big surprise there.
Agree and disagree. At the end of the game, certainly that one call is all that matters and can be directly pointed out as a determinant of the outcome. Earlier missed calls you can't do that, as it's impossible to know what would have subsequently happened. The easier argument, for this specific example, is that it was potentially a questionable call. But, if at the end of the game, REGARDLESS of the calls earlier in the game, as an random hypothetical a player (any player) clearly takes say 4 or 5 steps on the way to a layup, isn't touched by anyone and a foul is called and that team wins the game, I think it'd be idiotic to say that that one call doesn't clearly impact the game. Also, it is certainly possible to attribute the outcome of the game to missed calls, plural. Bad refereeing throughout a game undoubtedly contributes to its outcome, one way or another.
The travel is there, but I actually prefer no call on the foul even though contact was obviously there.
It's also a loser mentality to let incompetence slide just because "hey, other things were stupid too!". The exact reason poor officials tends to slide by as long as they do is because fans/media hate criticizing officiating and go out of their way to find other factors that could have potentially impacted the game as well. I don't know whether this call was bad or not - the NBA's rules on a block are very subjective and unclear. Personally, I think it's a charge, but there's room for debate on it. But if you think it's a terrible call (and it did have an enormous impact on the result), the real loser mentality is those who let it slide and attempt to do nothing to fix it.
Ok, some say he shuffled his feet (I haven't watched the clip). My question refers to what another poster said. Does it matter if you shuffle your feet if a dude has his back turned and turns into you, as opposed to having to be set do dudes don't get undercut?
imo it looked like a charge. he was shuffling his feet the whole time. kobe didnt really knock him down with his back it was more of his side as he was completing the spin if that means anything? it may have been a travel or some kind of contact after the flop by the other bucks player though.
i still remember several yrs back advising you when you were just starting out, to go read some humphrey b. neill who would have thought that years later, jack d. schwager interviewees would actually be asking me about you now "what ever happened to the robbie guy, why'd you stop sending those quotes?" :grin: they really miss you!
Who said anything about letting it slide? We'll never get to a point where refs get every single call right. Bad calls will always happen due to human error and the only thing we can do is try to minimize them. My point is that one bad call didn't determine the outcome of the game.
but it sure does influence scores and momentum doesnt it? especially when guys travel and still get continuation shots in a close score game same for a guy stealing a ball when he's clearly out of bounds I could go on and on... but if its not enough for a ref to tell you the same thing the ex coach of this team got fined for saying you'll never believe when this league is all about. regardless of what happened last night, the rules dont apply to everyone the same and that in itself makes the games rules shaky at best
If a guy is doing a spin move and drives his shoulder into your chest, its a CHARGE. Amazing how blind fans are when they want to be. They used to allow Shaq to shoulder people in the paint all the time when LA was winning, and now he cant get away with that to save his career.
