Lol at advanced stats. That little excel **** doesn't prove anything. Put Harden instead and see how much better that appears. Again, baseline is established. You need another subject to truly show and see how little Giannis does. And again, whose having a career year next to giannis? Nobody, outside of true youngsters you can attribute that to development. See how ****ing stupid that excel **** is? Not surprised someone like you, use it as an argument. SIL
Hm yea let's put Harden instead and see how much better? Owned. LMAO And here is your TRULLY BRILLIANT!!! comparison with Cousins' impact : Hmm? Why is that mostly red while Giannis are ALL green? That can't be! Herp Derp freaking Nerds with your freaking math!! Get off my lawn!!!
It's hilarious how people immediately discount advanced stats without making any attempt to understand what they actually mean.
Um, completely different variables. Put Harden on the Bucks, and Giannis on the Rockets. Also, take into account the player impact is based on the 5 man unit against them and the other 4 men playing with. You're very dry, I don't think you understand how I can easily manipulate and dissect this "analysis". You're also extremely gullible if you believe this. SIL
For someone who sees and read analysis all day, I admit I'm heavily critical of them. I really feel like analysis can be extremely influenced with such small variables people don't think of. And it's funny cause the Don of this, Mr Murray, would agree. SIL
While you are at it, why not ask to put Giannis on the Jordan Bulls and Harden on the showtime Lakers too? LOL You said Giannis doesn't make his teammates better. He cant control what teammate he has. But even if they are trash he makes them better trash. As does Harden. Boogie Cousins does NOT. That's why your statement that he doesn't impact the game and improve those around him is laughable and it has already been clearly demonstrated how wrong by my previous post without having to look for some imaginary unfeasible hypothetic scenarios.
I'm critical of stats too, there's a ton of flawed numbers people read too much into, but I don't get how even a hardcore sports purists couldn't see the merit in a simple measurement of how much better a team plays with a player than without him. It's a simple but effective way to eliminate the noise and see if someone is actually helping your team win. And in the case of Giannis, he obviously is.
No, he doesn't make them better. Your chart doesn't show that. You're not reading it right. You're looking at it too surface, whose to say they couldn't do more, how much is Giannis as opposed to the defense, coach, as opposed to the other 4 player mix? Too many variables. SIL
I dont understand this sentence. When Giannis is off the court 99% of the time the other two highest usage players in Bledsoe and Middleton will be in. He also always defends the other team's superstar wing and pf. And his coach was stupid that's why he got fired. If you want to say that "how much better they could be with a coach that knew how to draw a play on his own, wasn't cursing and abusing all his players playing mindgames in practices, understood that a defence shouldn't by design leave open corner 3s, or that it's brainless to foul when up 4 with 1 sec to go" then yes sure. They could be much better and they will be. The reason the team is barely in the playoffs is thanks to Giannis and IN SPITE of Jason Kidd's coaching. We are not even talking about scapegoating some average coach. We are talking about THE WORST COACH in the league by a countrymile.
Waiting for your explanation SIL BTW: I agree with your take on giannis. Players without a jumpshot have a hard time carrying teams if not for 1-2 other stars.
When on PC, but do I really have to explain the kind of factors that influence that...just to name a few: 1) strength of teams giannis has faced 2) was giannis playing at the end of any blowout game 3) what other players are impactful on bucks and how many mins shared with giannis 4) how much does giannis play against 2nd units I can go on, but do you not think these skew stats? Think about last night's game. Mavs covered (per Vegas), but was it really a 7pt type of game? That 7pt goes against our point differential statistic, which is one of the most prominent and valuable to advanced stat geeks. Now imagine if that was Giannis and the Bucks and how that changes his "impact". SIL
I’m a gambler, i know quite a bit about that (Rox bench scrub unit once cost me 450$ because they didn’t cover 8.5 after they were up 22) But i struggle to make it clear for other people why stats are a good thing but never the full story. My english isn’t good enough for that. In german i probably could...
I'm a trader for a living, and big time gambler too for recreational fun. I have a side place in Vegas here I run some stacks. Peoples view on analytics are just not really with it. SIL
I once tried to learn trading but failed miserably and there was no motivation left. I’m not disciplined enough to keep calm on small losing streaks, be it gambling or trading. I don’t really understand what you are saying there in the last sentence, as i said, english is not my native language. I just listen to pretty much everything in english so i learned quite a lot. Also finished school with „abitur“ which is the highest degree you can get here. (Requirement for studying in a university)
I am saying in my last sentence that people's perceived value of analytics is overstated and understanding is flawed. SIL
Oh yea, highly agree. Funniest thing is, people will only bring up analytics and stats when it’s convenient and fits their agenda. Not necessarily on CF, but on other Basketball boards. People will argue kyrie over harden for MVP, if you bring up stats they say that doesn’t mean anything, yet later on will throw a random plus/minus of one game at you.
So I didn't want to keep discussing over stuff that I wasn't able to proof at the time. So Kidd is gone for quite some time now, where are the Bucks now? I think my point that it wasn't Kidd's fault is pretty much proven by now.
