Or maybe it simply means that all the QB's ranked above Schaub have been either in the playoffs or in the playoff hunt late in the season during their careers, thus garnering more attention and name recognition. Except for Aaron Rodgers, the top 23 have made the playoffs. The next 2 have been in the hunt. Of the last 8, six have never been close - with the two expections being Tavaris Jackson who didn't start most of the year, and Kyle Orton, who's often been the labelled the reason Chicago can't advance further.
If that's true, I'd still blame ESPN for perpetuating this myth that individual players win and lose games by themselves, but I know that's a different discussion.
This isn't a scientific poll, so you can't exactly draw accurate conclusions about what the average fan thinks.
I wasnt a big Eli believer until I saw his playoff stretch in 07. You gotta put him in the top 10. But I see your point. Only part we all agree on is the top 2 lol
Yeah, but the rest of the names are in agreement. They're just shuffled a bit. I know Eli had a good run, but other than that he hasn't looked too great even this year. He didn't look bad, but Matt looked better than him. As for guys in the post season getting more recognition, I can understand that. My only thing is if you look at it objectively, playoffs don't necessarily equal great QB. Big Ben has decent ability and makes some nice plays in the clutch, but there's a reason they're a run first team. Same with Eli. Flacco gets a lot of credit and looked good, but his team was successful off defense. I have a hard time putting someone ahead of Schaub when they average about 100 yards a game and don't blow him away with things like accuracy or TD:INT ratio. Plus its not just football. I listened to a podcast the other night from Bill Simmons and Ric Bucher. There were numerous times the topic was best exemplified by the Rockets, but the only mention of them in the hour long show was a reference to a trade by the '94 team. ESPN builds up the hype teams and people don't actually know anything about the ones they don't. Thats the good thing about fantasy sports. You tend to learn a lot more about other teams and the sport in general. At least that was the case with me. Its also a short term memory. A lot like small children. People just started learning about Andre Johnson this year and he's been great for a while. Towards the end of the year many said he was the best in football. Once the playoffs started L Fitz went nuts and all of a sudden no one compares to him. I think they're both great and you can't go wrong with either, but its frustrating to try to talk football with these types. On Cutler, yeah his team doesn't always win, but the games I saw him in he wasn't lining up at LB or on the D-line. Their defense is garbage. By that logic Brees should be lower as well. I don't buy that he is overrated. Plus their run game wasn't exactly impressive, though that can also be due to injuries.
I don't think their top 10 list is that bad really, Schaub is just lower because the Texans don't get any national attention.
Yeah, I agree. I just am a little surprised by how low. I guess though, even our Monday Night game was played by Sage.
IMO Matt is right there for the 10th slot. He's a great quarterback, nagging injuries just screw him over.
Sure - but this is an internet fan poll. I don't think the idea here was to look at anything objectively.
He is middle of the pack. Take the last 5 mins of the colts game away and I don't really think shaub is all that much better than sage. We will see now that sage is in minny.
Sage throws more picks. A lot more. It also could be that he was trying to do too much to prove he should start.
Sage has only started a season at QB, he is basically like a rookie in that regard. So he should improve his ball protection over time.
He's too low, but I don't think it's extreme. Schaub's an interesting case, the opposite of the limited-but-poised-grizzled-veteran QB. Schaub could effortless command 70-yard drives and helped us put together one of the most impressive aerial attacks in the game last year. But he was nearly as bad as Rosenfels with the ill-timed, supremely costly turnovers until the end of the year. Add that with his inability to stay on the field and the general national disregard of the Texans, and I'm not shocked. He writes his story this year.
I guess because he never really did much of anything, even in a backup role, until 2005, people don't realize that he's been in the league for 9 years.
I voted for this silly thing, and I thought some of the QBs were too low, like Schaub and Orton. Schaub, I had in Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers level, around #13 to #15. Mainly, because his production was on pace with those guys and he might a little bit more efficient than they are as well. Also, he's more experienced. I thought Kerry Collins was too high, you give the Titans an above average to elite QB that team would've been challenging for the Patriots, 16-0 record with that defense.
26 is ridiculous, but like Donny Most said, the Eastern Sports Propaganda Network and it's affiliates pretty much force feed everyone big stars from big markets. I would put Shaub about 12th
Brees took what was a terrible team, and helped turn them into a playoff team. The Saints Offense led the league in scoring and only averaged 4 yards per rush(23rd in the league). Cutler took a playoff team to mediocrity. He is mentally weak. He was 16th in passing rating with a very good receiving corp. They averaged 4.8 yards per rush(3rd in the league). They were only 16th in the league in scoring though. Don't fall for the hype. He is a top 5 talent at QB, but he doesn't play like it.
I don't mean to hijack this thread but putting players like Romo, Eli, Schaub, Rivers and others ahead of Big Ben is pretty ridiculous. I mean, some of those guys haven't even made the playoffs yet, some haven't recorded a playoff victory and some Ben kills in pretty much every metric imaginable. In five seasons he's finished top five in QB rating three times. I'm sure I don't need to remind anybody he's won two Super Bowls either. Don't be fooled by his down year statistically this past season. He had a brand new, Swiss Cheese offensive line coupled with an injury-plagued, bottom 10 running game with Willie Parker missing so much time. The Steelers have struggled tremendously with replacing Alan Faneca and others, however they've made that their primary focus this offseason through draft and free agency. The "Top 10" as I see it: 1. Tom Brady 2. Peyton Manning 3. Ben Roethlisberger 4. Drew Brees 5. Eli Manning 6. Kurt Warner 7. Donovan McNabb 8. Phil Rivers 9. Tony Romo 10. Carson Palmer No offense to Schaub, of course. He's on pace to get there but I don't see it just yet.
