Exactly, mc mark!!!! There were people yapping that both Stockton AND Payton were crap after 3 seasons!!
Its actually not 2 years. But what have you seen from him that you like? Last year I didnt see anything good. This year.. he is showing his stuff, but still has rookie mistake problems. He isnt a rookie, but plays like one.
Bryce can shoot very well, can penetrate decently, and can pass well enough to not be a liability. What this means? He's a very good backup, or a mediocre starter. My suggestion: move Anderson to SF, and let Drew and Francis alternate the point and shooting. That way you have: 1 decent post player (Cato 1 excellent cutter/post up player (Anderson), 1 excellent spot up shooter (drew), 1 incredible one-on-one player (Francis), 1 great rebounder, good post-up (Barkley) Then you have Mobley, Williams, and Thomas to provide energy and shooting from the bench. Looks like a playoff squad to me (even w/o Dream).
haven, you said what is on my mind. HH, yeah, you are right. Francis should get time at the two. The way he and Bryce can swap positions while complementing each other would be nice to see. [This message has been edited by JeffB (edited December 05, 1999).]
I didn't get to see this game, unfortunately. But I saw the last one. I have to admit that Drew has shown improvement. I hope he keeps improving. But, I still think he's not really a PG, and that when Steve is starting we need a veteran to back him up. ------------------ I have a dream.........his name's Hakeem.
Damn i looked at stocktons first years stats. It sucked. Kind of like Drew. Then his 4th year .. He started to play great. And also he was the 16th pick like Drew!!! THIS IS WEIRD...
Two years goes back to college. What I see in Drew is a player that loves to play the game, has a Sweet stroke and is smart. You can work with a player like this. He can take direction. One who doesn't have the posse and attitude? One who has class That is what I see in Drew. Jeffb The musician right? I think I signed on to clutchcity about two days after you. I remember your Drew comments, I agreed, but like you, was too new to speak up. [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited December 05, 1999).]
Ok, my bad. I think Maloney when I think of Drew and I guess it does have to do with color to some extent. But if you think Drew is better than Maloney, you got to be looking at basketball crossed eyed. So, let me compare him too... Manute Bol. Manute Bol dominated the paint alot. But he was not all-star, was he? O yea, he had good games against Hakeem, and Ewing. But does that make him a "unsuckable"? Don't think so. What about Harold Miner? Need I say more about sucking, then enjoying your 15 minutes, then disappearing into the night? He is a prime example of that. And how about Derrick Chevious? Once considered candidate for ROY on the Rocks. I believe he works at Kroger right now even though many thought he was a lock to be a star in this league. Ladies and Gents, when you suck, YOU SUCK. A few games doesn't make a good player. It makes a decent one. A good year makes a good player. Can he hold off on those Bryce Drew for Prez signs for a little while?
Who would have known that Bryce would have generated such a lively and invigorating thread? Who would have known that Bryce would have generated such a lively and invigorating offense? How the h*ll does he hit those floaters, anyway? Does anyone else shoot those things? And did he have some quick release-3's tonite or what? Also, does it appear that he has picked up a step on D? Francis3... Don't know why you are so stuck on this. You might want to chill on Bryce, eh? This guy is getting pretty good. BTW, you do know that it is poor neticate to coorect speling. Will, LOL (...and the villain responded).
I think that's the beauty of it. Both Francis and Drew (and Cat?) are rare breed type of players. From what I understand both love to play, work hard, and aren't having their butts kissed by a freeloading posse. They both have excellent fundamentals, love the game, have great jump shots and are smart, but are drastically different players. Drew is conservative--strictly below the rim. Francis is flashy (not to be confused with lacking fundamentals). But Francis is not just a solid point, but something special. He'll make a lot of smart, yet flashy, plays in this league. Like HH said: MJ and Magic in one package. That's obviously why Rudy couldn't pass on him. Now we just have to keep Drew from Utah. I'm not a musician. I am an historian making a buck as an graphic designer.
Alum, A little dramatic aren't we. My eyes are open, he's a piece of the puzzle, that's all. I'm just tired of the ragging I've been reading since the start of the season. [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited December 05, 1999).]
Almu, Harold Miner huh, everybody wanted Rudy to pick him over Horry. Sort of like Lewis over Drew. Lewis is a Korleone Young now, and Drew is begging to flourish.
What is this Lewis over Drew hindsight garbage anyway? So what if Lewis does end up being an allstar? If I recall last year, we were drafting for last year. We did not need a highschool forward who might be impressive in 3 or 4 years, we needed any kind of help and depth at the 1.
2:25am in New York folks! Its been fun. night! Two in a row! we're on a roll! GO ROCKETS!!! [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited December 05, 1999).]
Cohen, if we were to draft for last year as you said, then we needed to draft a forward, not a point guard. We didn't have a back up for Pippen and he played 40 plus minutes per game. On the contrary, we got Cat and Brent Price playing the point.
I think some people are making good points about waiting to see if Drew keeps improving, but I've always thought he had potential. I'm a little surprised to see people questioning his mistakes...sure, this is his 2nd 'year', but that's if you can call the shortened season a year, and even then if you expect anyone to learn anything with so few minutes. Drew will be okay, I think. He's still learning, but he's a worker, it seems, and looks as though he could have some good fundamental skills. He's obviously a shooter...but, 10 assists this game; and if I remember correctly, he's had some other high assist games as well. I think a very big point with Drew has always been confidence. We all know he looked lost on the court early on...but that's changing. And now he's producing. Please don't compare Drew with Maloney, though. Drew has ten times more energy and aggression than Maloney did. Maloney was just a good shooter, and unfortunately even that is questionable seeing as how the shot suddenly disappeared.
Jeff, How can anybody not be excited about this team?Great moves in the offseason including the outrageous theft of Stevie from the Great White North......They are turning the corner and should be DANGEROUS come playoff time.This being said,I hope another move is made.We really need to shore up that 3 spot and resolve the Mack situation one way or another.Walt is in such a bad shooting slump and we don't have that margin of error right now. Hardwood
