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Brown: Waiting to hear back from Rockets this weekend

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hottoddie, Jun 1, 2003.

  1. DCkid

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    Okay, so Brown is apparently the Rockets #1 choice without a doubt. They have their initial meeting with him, maybe do some negotiation, but it's left unresolved. The Rockets say, "ah, we'll give you a call sometime this weekend." Meanwhile, the Rockets go out an interview another coach, and play it up to the media like they have no clue who they're going to choose (I almost had an aneurysm when I read this headline in the Chronicle: <b>Dawson slows pace of Rockets' search</b>). I mean...huh? I hope for Dawson's sake that was just a smokescreen.

    The Pistons, on the other hand, fire their coach and on the same day seem to be 100% focused on nothing else but locking up Larry Brown into a contract as soon as possible.

    Which team does it look like is trying harder?
     
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  2. lancet

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    CNNSI article is a joke. Why does Brown want to be paid only $5M per year? His contract at 76ers is $7M per year for the last two years. Rudy T's contract was $6M a year. On this aspect along, I trust Clutch's resource much more than CNNSI'. $8M+ sounds about the right amount that Detroit would ofter to Brown if they really want him.
     
  3. JPM0016

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    that's why we need more conformation other than cnnsi. ESPN normally is the first to break a story and they haven't said anything, so we will see.
     
  4. Sphere

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    Where is Mark Berkman when you need him????
     
  5. JPM0016

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    i'm sure Mark is around somewhere, seems like that guy never sleeps
     
  6. steddinotayto

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    I'm willing to be that the cnnsi article is a ploy by Brown to get the Rockets to bid for him...8 mil for a coach..that's ridiculous...thank god the coach's salary isn't in the salary cap.
     
  7. teeloo

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    Didn't ESPN say on Saturday that Brown was going to sign with the Pistons and it would be announced on Monday?

    Unfortunately all these reports about the Pistons getting Brown make it more unlikely that the ROX will get him.

    I think they out bid us and probably made a calculated risk by firing a good coach and going straight for the jugular.

    Too bad, Brown is a great coach but fortunately for the ROX there are some really good coaches still available (Silas, Carlisle, VG, etc.).
     
  8. Sphere

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    $8 Mill for a coach???

    For that much he'd better at least "D" up!!!!

    Whatever......coaches don't shoot, dunk, pass, steak, rebound, block, run......etc......
     
  9. Sane

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    It's absolutely crazy that Larry Brown would accept the Detroit job where Joe Dumars is Mr. Control Freak for basketball decisions, and he's only getting paid 5M?

    It's not that great a city either.

    What's behind his choice of the Pistons? Does he really think he'll win the NBA championship without a dominant big man or Micheal Jordan?

    I'm POSITIVE we offered him WAY more control over personnel decisions, and definitely more than 5M a year. We also have a brand new arena, TWO (count em) All Stars, as well as basically a more talented team.

    With or without Milicic or Anthony, Detroit won't wni more than 52 games next season, and they surely won't beat ANY of the following potential future finalists:

    Spurs
    Lakers
    Mavs
    Kings
    Rockets
    Blazers

    Not to mention these Eastern Conference teams:

    Indiana
    Orlando


    It's just silly. In 3 years, Yao Ming and Tim Duncan will be fighting over who the best big man in the NBA is. How likely is it that Detroit will be able to match that?

    Larry Brown is an idiot for taking this job. Like I've said before, I look forward to RIPPING his team's heart out in the NBA Finals 2 years from now.
     
  10. Dr of Dunk

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    Silas is apparently set to sign with the Cavs on Monday.
     
  11. SageHare6

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    Sane, I share your sentiments, but I'll telling you, Brown is a businessman, first and foremost. He's no idiot... he's just not what we need as a coach. Coaches who have a sincere hunger to get the ring are few and far better. Brown is NOT one of them. I'm glad though that fans like yourself are smart to see through this and frame it like some disappointment or loss on our part. People need to get over this Brown hype.

    Moreover, one classless act deserves another. Perhaps the decision came out from Dumar's superior, but the way in which Detroit has handled this whole "fire one coach, sign another" is just plain classless.

    :p

    theSAGE
     
  12. Sane

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    SageHare6,


    I understand what you're talking about, but right now it's too blurry to confirm anything.

    We don't know for sure that Carlisle would or wouldn't have been fired anyway. We don't know that Larry Brown dealt with the Pistons while Carlisle was still coaching them.

    I find it extremely hard to believe that Larry Brown is not after a ring. I am frustrated, but Larry Brown is not a bussinesman. Les Alexander and Mark Cuban are businessmen, but Larry Brown is an employee. He loves his job and he loves the game.

    This is why I'm shocked. It's SO not Larry Brown to take this job. This is his last shot, and I find it difficult to believe that he'll try with Detroit ratehr than Houston.

    However, if Larry Brown does sign with Detroit, we'll move on. I hope we sign Carlisle, and if not Carlisle, then Dunleavy. What comforts me is the fact that he'll never win a championship with Detroit. You can mark these words down if you want. He won't win a championship with Detroit. If I was a betting man, I'd bet on him NOT surpassing Rick Carlisle's 52-game mark next season either.

    Joe Dumars took his Exec of the Year award home, and kissed his chances of retaining it goodbye.
     
  13. Hottoddie

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    Okay, I can work with that. Let me take your response & change a few things for a different interpretation.

    Okay, so Brown is apparently the Rockets #1 choice without a doubt. They have their initial meeting with him, make him an offer, but it's left unresolved. Brown says, "I have to talk to my wife first & I'll get back with you." Meanwhile, the Rockets go out and interview another coach, and play it up to the media like they are shopping for the best coach for the Rockets (Chronicle article: <b>Dawson slows pace of Rockets' search</b>). This, of course, was just a smokescreen.

    Brown calls back the next day & says "I'm very interested, but I won't take the job for anything less than $_____. CD responds "I don't see that as being a problem, but I'll have to run it by Les first & let you know by this weekend."

    During the mean time, the Pistons fire their coach and, on the same day, seem to be 100% focused on nothing else but locking up Larry Brown into a contract as soon as possible. Knowing full well, that the Rockets are in hot pursuit of him & have a very good deal on the table. In a desperate attempt to sway Browns decision, they go out on a limb publicily, by claiming that he's the only coach they want & are willing to do whatever it takes to get him, just to show how much they really want him. Dumars then leaks it to the press that Brown has agreed to their offer & they will announce it officially on Monday.

    Which team does it look like is desperate?


    How's that? :D
     
  14. Yetti

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    Fellow Posters! Patience is a virtue!
    Les Alexander is an astute businessman and CD is a very experienced NBA negotiator, if they want Brown I believe they will get Brown! Of course we must consider that they might not want Brown as much as Brown wants Houston. We can have no effect on the situation so I suggest that wee all calm down till Monday lunch time, then we hope to hear exactly what is going on.
     
  15. JPM0016

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    ESPN reported yesterday the Pistons signed Brown but back tracked
     
  16. Deckard

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    This speculation is really getting crazy (and I'm guilty, too!).

    How do we know what's happened with LB and the Rocks?

    Maybe Les and CD made an offer... Brown says he's really interested, wants to talk to his agent, family and his dog... calls back in a couple of days with a counter offer for the Rocks. Meanwhile, all hell breaks loose on the coaching front... the Rocks had been looking at Brown's counter offer, maybe ready to say, "let's do it!" or make a counter offer to BROWN'S counter offer. After the coaching uproar, they need some time to decide how far to up their offer... knowing that Brown wants the job, but other things have suddenly opened up.

    In other words, we don't know what the hell is going on and Clutch may not be wrong at all. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Brown is announced as our coach very soon, after the contract is finalized. I sure hope so. I just think we're rushing to judgement based on media reports that can notoriously be off by a mile.

    And there's no way in hell Brown signs anywhere for $5 million a year.
    Hottoddie is making sense.
     
  17. Deckard

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    Damn, Hottoddie, you just posted my post! :p
     
  18. Hottoddie

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    Now I'm scared.:eek:
     
  19. stroker

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    I really wanted the Rockets to hire Larry Brown, but it appears that mgt. has drug their feet in their coaching search and didn't have the shrewdness, aggressiveness or sense of urgency to seal the deal as well as the foresight to anticipate another serious competitor suddenly emerging onto the scene.

    Factors that favor Brown choosing Motown over H town:

    1. Brown feels more wanted by the Pistons. Brown got a definitive public statement by Dumars which ranked LB as the team's TOP priority and reportedly an immediate offer on the table. This speaks volumes. This plays into Brown's presumed history of having a need to be wanted. Dumars had a better sense of what it takes to hire this particular coach. Brown's unpredictable history and tendancies were met by a VP/GM that had an equally unpredictable and radical approach to the situation. Radical embraces radical....

    2. Detroit's team is already defensely oriented with Carlisle's system and has a more immediate and superior defensive presense in the paint than Houston with Yao and EG.

    3. High lottery pick to add to an already talented roster.

    4. A more immediate and better shot at the NBA finals. Brown's increasingly smaller window of opportunity due to his age (and wanderlust) would put Detroit in a more likely position to get Brown into the finals and when you consider how we witnessed the injuries to Webber, Rick Fox and Novitzki during this year's playoffs, it's not inconceiveable that an eastern conference team could actually compete against an injury depleted western conference finalist if fate were to fall in Brown's favor in this regard.

    The western conference will be HELL the next several years with Sac, Dallas, SA (and their reported 16 million cap in space this summer), an immerging Phoenix team, a more playoff tested Dallas team, a more confident Minnesota squad, Portland AND the Lakers all frothing at the mouth to win what should amount to an anual deathmatch for the Western Conference tite. What are the chances of our beloved Rockets actually knocking out the above listed beasts of the west in three 7 game series within the next 3 to 4 years? I mean, honestly.... I love the Rocks, but I just don't see them advancing past the powers of the west for possibly 4 years min. even with Brown as coach. I'm sure although Brown may have been attracted to the challenge of molding the Rockets young players, he HAD to know the task was enormous in the west.

    Brown's legacy is lacking one thing (an NBA title). Remember the year the Pistions swept the Laker team that blew through the playoffs undefeated until Magic Johnson and Byron Scott BOTH pulled their hamstrings in the finals against those same Pistons? Shyt happens, and then you win a title on a humbug, that nobody will remember once history is written.
     
  20. BubbaMac

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    Steven Smith from Foxsports radio also said that there will be a Brown press conference tommorrow. Smith also confirmed the $5 million per year. He also had Larry Brown on his radio show this morning. I didn't catch the Brown interview but Smith did say that one of the reasons why Brown decided on Detroit is that Brown wasn't sure whether or not he would have got the Rockets coach because Dunleavy is the favorite.

    Smith also said that he isn't sure if Gundy wants to coach at all next year and that Gundy's high asking price (7 million per year) might just be a ploy to deter teams from offering him a job so that he could step away quietly.

    Yeah, Brown is gone. The Rockets blew this one in my opinion, why is there a multi stage interview process with the Rockets while everyone else just targets a coach and signs them ASAP?

    Lesson to Leslie and Carroll- you snooze, you lose.
     

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