Brown: Waiting to hear back from Rockets this weekend

they can have him, he won't have any success unless he's surrounded by talent. good luck cleveland!!!

 

Hmmmm ....I wonder how Vescey was privy to such a conversation? Was he there or did JVG tell him about it?

 

Probably just Vecsey covering his @ss....didn't he report twice that VG was going to Cleveland?

Anyway I wouldn't blame Cleveland if they want to make sure LeBron gets his minutes. The people up there are buying tickets to see James. In today's NBA coaches apparently get fired for winning 50 games if the young guys do not get in the rotation(See Carlisle,Rick).

 

If they had made an offer at the first meeting, why would Larry Brown be waiting for the Rockets to get back with him...shouldn't it be the other way around? After an offer was made, the ball should be in Brown's court. I mean, if Detroit made him an offer when he already had one on the table with Houston, you would think he would be the one to contact the Rockets and tell them further contract negotiation is needed.

I still this think this article clashes with what's on the front page.

 

With the candidates available - Brown, Carlisle, Van Gundy, Silas - I think anyone of them would do a good job. The one issue I would not compromise on is player personnel decisions. Every team who lets the coach make pp decisions gets worse each year over the long term. Coachs want to win now. Managers need to keep building for 3 or 4 years down the road.

This other issue is if we keep waiting we won't end up with any of these guys.

 

Vescey may be a joke, but management here is an even bigger one.

It would not at all surprise me if they have not contacted him yet. As a matter of fact, I am willing to bet on it.

Clutch and all of his sources that tell him we did do not convince me in the least. Clutch himself said that them saying there is not a candidate ranked higher than any other was a joke, but I think those invalids do not have them ranked.

Why should we believe otherwise? Had CD ever been through this? No, he was on the bench for 75 years and was promoted along with Rudy. He has never hired a coach, nor do I think he knows what the hell to do.

EVERYTIME you hear him talk about a coach he says:

"It was really nothing big. I have known (inset coach here) for (insert years here) so there is not much we don't already know about eachother..."

BULL **** ! ! !

You are a f-ing GM who is looking for a head coach for your team. You need to talk talk strategy, and find out what each would do with your team and you need to offer the one that ranks the best a contract and you need to do it soon or you will be worse off than if you kept the old coach.

Les thinks that Yoa and Steve are enough to sell this team. They are not. These coaches want to feel wanted, and want to see agressiveness on the part of the owner and management b/c that is the owner who will go out and get you good player and pay less than a say another team would pay for Moochie Norris, Taylor, Shandon/Rice, Cato and so on, and so on.

This franchise fired only one third of the problem. Regardless of who becomes the coach, Les and CD are a joke.

 

...and oh yea, you are moving into a new arena which you cannot give away the naming rights or the suites to.

 

At least I'm comforted by knowing that it's not Dumars who made the decision to fire Carlisle. Dumars is a classy guy. He wouldn't have fired a good coach like Carlisle just because he wanted Larry Brown.

 

The thing is, it's not just the Vescey article that has me wondering about whether an offer was made, it's this quote from Brown, himself!

compare this with the following from Clutch...

Like Clutch's sources say, the Rockets were expecting to hear from Brown, yet Brown seems to be waiting for the Rockets to contact him. Something doesn't quite add up.

 

A couple of thoughts on this:

1. If this is true, I wonder about Van Gundy's people for leaking this kind of stuff to a media mouthpiece. If the Cavaliers deserve to be criticized for talking in public about private stuff with their players, a head coaching candidate should be criticized for leaking convenient stories about parts of the interview process when things break down.

2. It's virtually impossible to believe it came up first only after two interviews and serious negotiations with Van Gundy's agents and with a $25 million dollar offer supposedly on the table. One thing's for sure, Vescey has got something wrong in his reports of the last 10 days or so. If this is so serious that it's a deal-breaker, it doesn't come up as an after-thought and would've been one of the first things covered in the interview process.

As I've said before, the Rox need to stay far, far away from VG.

 

After reading the article, I am convinced the Rockets should at least interview Carlisle.

Tough, hard-nosed and intense.

This is the type of coach we need. Not someone who's been on 3 different teams getting fired at each job because he couldn't handle it.

Say NO to Mike Dunleavy.

 

Houston won´t give him more money than Detroit.
Alexander knows Larry prefers Houston proyect. He has a lot of money and with his years maybe he wants what his family wants, but that can be a problem because people say he hate texas.
Moreover, he prefers east than west.
Sure, Rocks will make another interview, so I think interviews will decide all, but not the money with larry brown.
Meanwhile Dunleavy is weating...

 

From the article:<blockquote> "It was a comprehensive decision," said Pistons President Joe Dumars. "But I am in charge here, and when decisions are made basketball-wise, you are talking to the right person." </blockquote>

That's exactly the kind of thing that, if you have to say it, it probably isn't true. "Dumars doth protest too much, methinks", as MacBeth might say (actually Hamlet's mother).

 

It's possible the quote was made prior to the Rockets offer.

Wed: The Rockets meet with Brown, but don't make an offer yet

Fri: The Pistons fire Carlisle and make an offer to Brown immediately. Brown says the Rockets haven't gotten back to him yet.

Sat (late this past week): Brown is close to signing with Detroit prompting all of the reports from ESPN, but the Rockets swoop in at the last second and make their offer. Then Brown says he'll make his decision on Monday.

 

The quote was made on Saturday. He even says I haven't heard from the Rockets <b>this weekend</b>.

But the quote was made on Saturday, and Brown says the Rockets haven't contacted him since their meeting on Tuesday or Wednesday.

Unless there are just some misquotes. There is cleary something different between what Clutch's sources are saying and what Brown is saying.

 

My mistake. There still is a chance that the quote was made early Saturday, prior to the Rockets making their offer.

 

Could be, but my question is about an original offer from the Rockets before the Pistons came along. The Brown quote makes it sound like there never was one. Clutch's sources say there was already one on the table.

In my opinion, if an offer was not made initially, then the Rockets have screwed up royally.

 

i was watching ESPN this morning and they also reported the Rockets had made Brown an offer as well as the Pistons

 

Brown Lovers, don't get your hopes up

Think about it. Detroit has publically stated that Brown is among the only three coaches it is willing to pursue, two of whom, are already under contract and are not going anywhere. Translation, they are dead SERIOUS in landing Brown... serious enough to fire one coach and offer serious $$$ to his replacement. The Rockets, on the other hand, have more than one candidate (and probably could get even more) who are genuinely interested in the position. i.e. if the "search" ended today, I bet we'd have our choice and our pick in terms of JVG or Dunleavy and we'd get a signed contract tomorrow. I'm surprised more people don't see how Brown is up to his "games." He's just milking his popularity to get the most $$$ and power that he can. Rockets would be foolish at this junction to pay up.

Interestingly, if the Rockets are waiting this long to give a reply, I think the hesitation is itself a sign that the Rockets have some "idea" of Detroit's offer. However long and however much the Detroit offer is, I bet it's still economically stronger than anything the Rockets can and will offer up. Moreover, Detroit has made tangible sacrifices to get this man. Sure, it was a risk to fire Carlisle before anything was signed with Brown, but it was clear why the timing had to be now. What would you think of Brown then if he ended up screwing the Pistons over and came to us? Would you be happy? Would you be disturbed?

From a Detroit POV, Brown's holding out in light of the Detroit's coaching vacancy is a slap in their face, IMO. I'm sure the terms have to be at least "respectable" and worth consideration. But after seeing a team fire a winning coach with every intention of signing this one and only on coach, how can you play games with your suitor like that?

People need to get off the "Brown Biased Bandwagon" and start seeing the "cost" of getting this man. If he arrives in Houston, it's not going to be cheap and it's not going to be w/o a checkered history prior to his signing. Something is amiss here and I think it's time for Les and CD to just walk away.



theSAGE

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2003/06/01/mccallum_brown/

Pistons ink Brown to 5-year, $25M deal

Posted: Sunday June 01, 2003 11:23 AM

ATLANTA (SI.com) -- Larry Brown has agreed to a five-year, $25 million deal to be the head coach of the Detroit Pistons, reports SI.com's Jack McCallum.

The Pistons, who fired head coach Rick Carlisle on Friday, will announce the hiring at a news conference Monday or Tuesday.

According to a team source, the Pistons were not considering a coaching change until Brown announced he was leaving the Philadelphia 76ers after six seasons. Once management determined Brown would take the job, Carlisle was let go. According to the source, the Pistons would not have fired Carlisle for anyone other than Brown.