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Brooks Out - Instant Chemistry

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Old Man Rock, Nov 8, 2010.

  1. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    DD dismisses anything that doesn't involve AB as one of Rocket's best player as "irrelevant" just as he accuses any difference in ideas as someone who has an "agenda." It's sad really as most of us aren't saying kick AB off the team, but to have him come off the bench. We all saw where an AB led team gets us last year. Any team depending on AB as one of their best players and top scoring options is in deep ****.
     
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  2. napalm06

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    Haha, no, I can't multitask with Clutchfans if I'm reading/refuting posts that good/freaking long.
     
  3. napalm06

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    lol I don't care what DD does, but I don't necessarily disagree with him that a lot of people have an agenda against AB...

    Half of the Brooks arguments are people who just want to argue with DD and dangle past posts over his head. The curse of posting a million posts.

    Anyways, there was a feeling during the off-season that people were turning on Brooks and that plenty of posters had an agenda to glorify Lowry and seek a Brooks trade. Don't ask me why, but it's pretty evident when you have threads like "Brooks gone = instant chemistry" from otherwise intelligent posters. :)

    EDIT: I think a lot of the arguments are legitimate - but then there are others like "shoot first PGs are bad" and "Brooks is an SG in a PG body" that drive me slightly nuts. People seem to think Lowry has huge room for growth but aren't willing to offer Brooks the same benefit.
     
  4. chenjy9

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    I don't think Lowry will be the answer at PG either, not while our FO insists on staying married to that big glass footed troll we have on our team. Lowry fits on a team with sharp shooting, athletic wings that can drain the 3 ball and mobile bigs that can hit the elbow jumper IE the old Kings. I really wish we had Horford or Lopez at the 5 instead of Yao. I wanted the Rockets to trade him 3 years ago and each injury prone season continues to stab at the heart. The only reason I want Lowry to start over AB is because we've seen where an AB lead team leads us. He is and always will be an undersized shooting guard who can't finish at the rack or pass for beans. Lowry can at least defend and draw fouls. Shooting is also a technique that can be taught, while court vision and toughness cannot.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Fair enough, and if Lowry had a decent jumpshot, I would be on board.

    Sigh........Tony Parker is exactly the role AB is playing, and AB was GREAT against the Lakers 2 years ago....

    He fits this team and their scheme like a glove.....and we are built along the same lines as the Spurs.

    DD
     
  6. chenjy9

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    Wow... are you serious? First of all, the key differences between the two players make AB playing his role impossible. Parker is a penetrator and finisher who gets to the line, while AB seems deathly afraid of contact. Parker is also a better passer. If AB could play like Parker, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Parker was not the top dog on offense like you seem to believe AB is. As far as our team being built along the same lines as the Spurs, that is laughable. The Spurs are a disciplined and defensive group of veterans with balanced scoring.
     
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    LoL totally..chuck hayes and hill became an offensive force against Wolves.
     
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    Great post by the Yoyo but I would differ with him in his belief that Ish may not be the long term solution to the pg position. We will see but if Ish gets the Rockets to play consistently like they did vs the Spurs and Twolves, then, why wouldn't he be the long term main pg.

    Agreed with just about all the points by the Yoyo.
     
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    Since everyone is saying that it was "just the T'wolves", then we should go on a little win streak throughout the rest of this month. I say we'd be in good shape if we finished the month of November at 9-8.
     
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    Not to say Parker plays alongside Ginobili that may be the most complete shooting guard in the NBA in terms of size, court vision and spots where he can score from. Thus, assisting Parker a lot and also help him carry the playmaking duties over extended periods of time.
    If Brooks had Ginobili alongside him none of this would be said.
    The fact that Martin and Brooks have a very similar game is what makes Brooks look worse than he is.
     
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    We played the Timbercubs dude!

    Thats why we won :rolleyes:
     
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    No, the only benefit Parker have is his flopping.

    AB refuse to floop and probably cost him and his team games. You take Parker offensive flopping of his game and as most superstars he will come down to AB level, no matter if he play with of with a Superstar.

    With AB speed and skills he could probably be able to get at least 5 more FT a game if not more and get other PG who try to play defense as well as Big guys in foul trouble. But he don't I it could be one of the worst officiated PG in the league.

    BTW a player like rondo beneficent a lot from begin surround by great players and shooter, take him out of that system and group of player and he will drop the ranking just like Big Ben drop when decide to get out of a system full of good players.

    The truths is you can win Big with shoot first point guard with bad defense and Parker is the best comparative. No point guard is the same, but Parker is use for the Spurs as AB is use in Houston.

    AB + Flooping = Instant star. BTW Brooks most improve player last year and the guy play big in playoff time, can say the same of others in this team.
     
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    If anyone wants to know why Ish nor lowry can start on a championship caliber team, they should go back and watch game the series vs the lakers the first time,but they shouldve watched the game tonight vs dallas. Down by 3,pick and roll situation and kidd stciks to the pf and doesnt even guard rondo. Even though he's a much better player now, if not for eddie house and cassell knocking down some shots, la wouldve won the first series.
     
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    While I agree Ish and Lowry Doesnt have enough talent to start on a championship team. Brooks isn't that much better in the clutch. You could pretty much Quadruple team brooks off a pick in clutch situations because everybody knows hes driving to the basket or setting himself up for a stepback jumper. He doesnt have the vision nor height to see a open man in the clutch seconds(Not that he does have much vision throughout the game either). As long as AB is on the court, opposing teams know he's the only one thats gonna shoot it 90% of the time because hes the only one with a decent dribble to beat his man. So hes kinda like Opposite of Rondo.
     
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    Great point! Boston has been a pretty good team since having Rondo as their PG wouldnt you say? In the Mavs vs Celts game, I realized Kidd sagged off of Rondo in that last play. If Rondo didnt take that 3, the chances of him finding a better option with 4 other players is greater than say, AB running an ISO play that has failed time after time. Defenders are just clogging the lanes knowing that he is going to try to take that shot or drive 99% of the time. Point being, some nights with a PG like Rondo he is going to have to take that shot if his 4 other options has nothing. But the odds are much higher than a PG like AB who doesnt have the court vision and is going to run the same play every...single... time.
     
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    AB needs to play with a ball handler, even the one as bad as Ariza ....
     
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    Have you noticed that Kyle Lowry is no better this year? He has become our Mr. Chucker for the end of the first 3 quarters. Doesnt even look at his other better options.
     
  18. coachbadlee

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    Having Ish makes all of that better.
     
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    this team is soft. no heart. not with yao at part time. watch the bench during the game, they don't look like they like each other, they look disconnected.

    this team is toast until yao returns. like returns to MVP calibur.
     
  20. spdngyns69

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    Too small of a sample but I sure damn hope so. AB is out for a month and a half so we shall have to see.
     

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